Empire of the Iguanadons

So we all knew this was coming, right? After all, Joe Biden said so himself during the campaign that in the next 6 months Obama would be tested by the world or some such rot. Well that day arrived late Saturday night our time in the USA. The North Koreans have launched a ballistic missile test under the false guise of a satellite deployment. The rocket arced directly over Japanese airspace and crashed in the north Pacific Ocean. The spin machine is already in full swing to assure everyone that there was never any threat. I call bullshit, because the missile IS the threat. So how is our glorious tin god president going to handle this?

If you guessed that he's going to the UN Security Council, you're right:



Does the line sound familiar? It should. It's the same cookie cutter response that just about every foreign leader in Europe, Asia, and indeed the rest of the world seems to be regurgitating. So why are we relying on the United Nations to do anything about this? Doesn't anyone with even an ounce of brain matter know that nothing will ever come of it? Have we not learned from the 14 years of endless defiance by Saddam Hussein that the Security Council will never actually back up their words with anything of substance? John Bolton appears to agree:



The implications of this launch are so transparent as to be obvious. Iran is building the warheads, North Korea is building the ballistic missiles. One day soon we may be faced with a direct missile strike on Alaska or Hawaii and we'll all have Obama the Appeaser to thank for it. When your enemies provoke you militarily, you don't respond by wagging your finger in the air and yelling "NO!". That doesn't even work for the family cat and the liberal media seriously thinks that it will work on Kim Jong Il. The North Koreans are already lying to their own people that the rocket put a bird in orbit. Claiming that it's broadcasting some kind of song about Kim and his son, and "measurement data", whatever that's supposed to be. NORAD and NORTHCOM have both already confirmed that no such payload reached orbit. Satellite photos from immediately before the launch also indicate no such payload ever existed.

The message the world is sending to thugs like Kim Jong Il is simple. "Be nice or you'll get a timeout." Well, the child is throwing a tantrum and needs to be spanked. The Japanese apparently don't believe in spankings because even though they huffed and they puffed about how they'd shoot the thing down if it went over their airspace, they did absolutely nothing about it when the missile did just that. The US obviously doesn't believe in spankings because we didn't shoot the thing down either when the trajectory clearly indicated a test to see if they could reach Alaska. No, instead the child is now in control and he knows it. North Korea called the bluff and the world flinched.

Times like these are why I wish we had Reagan back. He'd have put these asshats in their place.
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"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

Clearly, it's an incompetent CIA plot to assassinate Fujimori while he's in Japan!

...only he's not in Japan and hasn't been for years, hence the incompetence. You can insert your own Iraq paralells, I'm sure.

Nothing, it was an interesting aside that shows how effective the US as been with its foreign policy manipulation agenda, where who they backed turned out to be just another tyrant. You would think by now, with all the fuck ups they have made, they would give up on trying to Americanize the world and just leave the donkey riding backward fucks to annihilate themselves.

Yes. Obama destroyed it. I say this with complete confidence because I live here, you don't, and therefore you can't know what's going on here on a level we as Americans are intimately familiar with. The stock market tanked 50% of its value in the last 77 days. Obama's spending plans have tripled the federal deficit in less than 77 days. Unemployment has reached 9% nationally and 12% here in California in the last 77 days.My 401K went from having just short of $17,000 US to $6,500 US in the last 77 days.

The Republicans raised the alarm about the housing crisis several times since 1977. John McCain himself raised the alarm about it all during the primaries and during his election campaign. The willing liberal media sided with Obama as they ignored the problem until it was convenient for him to exploit it. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd repeatedly lied and said there were no problems with Fannie and Freddie all these years, yet they clearly lied about that. There were a number of attempts made to impose additional regulations which were rejected outright by Democrats throughout the years. So to say this was entirely Bush's fault is a sign of utter ignorance on your part. Clinton knew exactly what was going on and actively chose to do nothing about it.

Regardless, this really has nothing to do with North Korea's ballistic missile test and the response the world should be giving toward it.

So what did they do with the 20+ years of controlling the white house, Ragen, Bush 1 and 2. NOTHING, they bent over and took wall st up the ass big time. Don't fucking whine about liberal this and that when your own side of politics did fuck all about a problem you say they noticed over 30 years ago.

If as you say they noticed that this was a problem and did nothing about it other than have a whine, then they are even far worse than the side who thought these policies were in the national interest. 30 fucking years your side sat on its fat ass doing absolutely nothing, so don't give me the your god is so much better bullshit. Dubelya was to moronic to even know what an economy is, and his father, according to PJ O'Rorke was a bumbling idiot as well.

You seem to be laboring under the false delusion that we had control of the House, Senate, and Presidency for 20+ years. I can assure you that this is not true by any stretch. You discredit yourself with each passing wave of bullshit by not even knowing what's gone on in our government for the last 50 years.

W was in no way too moronic to know what an economy is. It was his economic policies that allowed us to continue to have one after Clinton's recession from 2000 got started and then 9/11 happened and we nearly went into the toilet then. He recognized that tax cuts would encourage investment, hiring, and consequently spending. He was proven 100% correct as our economy grew and job creation went through the roof. It's only been since 2006 and the Democrats taking over Congress again that things deteriorated. Which is what they wanted.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume "PJ O'Rorke" is the political cartoon writer. If you're getting your political opinions from those cartoons, much is explained in great detail about why you know so little about how our country works.

Lovely rant. So it's entirely the U.S.'s Fault that the world economy is tanking now. Damn, we must be pretty powerful.. I can't account for your country nor others, but in our country the current problems have all been democratic babies. The "housing crises" was started by a direct act of Jimmy Carter. The stock market's "crash" and emminent failure was Clinton's doing, though I don't think it was as directly so as Carter's Fair Housing Act. All the present unemployment and bank failures are results of Obama's double crossing with full senate backing.


Ah, and here I was beginning to think it was just Fury's red herring for this thread...


Hmm, logic would say that, despite the occassional picking of the wrong horse, if our foreign policy manipulation agenda is that effective, then we're getting what we want accomplished so why stop. As for giving up on trying to Americanize the world, well. once again, that's primarily a democratic agenda in this country and they're just trying to raise your standards of living to the levels ours are at so they can follow the advice of our 60's & 70's songwriters and "teach the world to sing in perfect harmony"...


I agree with Samson on this one, Fury. though I can't say much for his 401k as a national indicator.. but ultimately, AMEN, we're way off topic here. This thread was clearly supposed to be about North Korea having launched a ballistic missile and what we all think about it and what we all think should be done about it.


And therein lies the real problem. It's not that our republican presidents haven't tried to do something other than "have a whine" about it, it's that in this country our president is constrained by Congress.

Yup, that's what Google seems to think too.

So, now that we've had our subject badly sidetracked which served to:
[list]thoroughly prove that The_Fury really doesn't understand American politics[/list]
[list]re-opened the floor for yet further discussion about the power and influence which our CIA weilds and[/list]
[list]the fact that the democrats have screwed up our economy badly enough that the rest of the world felt the need to follow suit and try to tank with us[/list]
Can we now get back to what's going on in North Korea?

The_Fury will no longer be joining us here as he chose to stuff the comment system full of profanity laced nonsense that Akismet flagged appropriately as drivel.

I for one would like to see the evidence for all you are accusing Fury off including the emails, personally i think your just full of shit samon and you will filter this post out because it questions your position.

You really did a number on Fury, Samson, i hope you have a nasty accident, kama really should come back and bit you on the ass for this. How sad must your life be to have to lie about Fury just so he could get banned from everywhere, he was doing a good job of that without you.

Really sorry to hear it, he was becoming a regular poster, even if his posts leaned toward anti-americanism and flawed logic/basis, at least it gave us someone to argue points against. How long does Akismet routinely block posters who do that sort of thing? Can it be over-ridden without causing the flagged material to spam the thread? (It's been awhile since I played with Akismet now.)


Perhaps if you provided an email address Samson could show you those emails/logs, but I've not seen Samson filter out posts here ever before because they were contrary, in any fashion, to his position.


I believe that the word you're looking for is Karma (the buddhist law of moral causation) rather than kama (a martial arts weapon or one of various gods or the first word in Kama Sutra, the art of love as philosophised by Vatsyayana...) and it's bite rather than bit, otherwise you're just mixing tense which doesn't sound very good at all. Either way, wishing harm to someone, for any reason but especially one so petty, as in "I hope you have a nasty accident" doesn't bode well for one's karma at all, perhaps you should look into the Wiccan Rule of Three and consider adopting it.


As for banning him everywhere, Samson's well respected by many within the communities that he is a part of and an administrator of several sites, including this one, but he hardly has the power to get anyone banned everywhere which leads me to believe that perhaps, if that's the case, Fury's simply done a "good job" entirely on his own. On the other hand, I personally know of at least a few web sites that he's not banned at presently (if nothing else, my own sites, which should be back up around this coming Wednesday or so, do not have him banned or even restricted in any way beyond that of someone who hasn't ever come visit and registered yet and that's only because he hasn't. *shrug*) So, once again, we're dealing with exaggeration or flawed basis... You're not Fury coming back to post anonymously are you? That would prove in itself that Samson didn't do anything significant to ban you from even this site, wouldn't it?

You know as well as I do that you sent them, Fury, so why bother hiding it? Or, rather, one email in which you told me Kayle is a fascist and you wanted me to overturn your IMC ban. Sent via the email form from your registered account on MudBytes. So I know you sent it. And you are also no doubt aware that posting it would prove nothing because the headers on those kinds of emails would show it as originating from localhost. Much like your lovely threat of bodily injury you sent via the contact form here. How sad your life must be to have to resort to such silliness over an email of your own origins.

I certainly didn't have to lie about it. You got yourself banned from TMC based entirely on your own actions. I've seen the threads. So unless you're suggesting I have the power to convince Icculus of the necessity to ban you when he rarely if ever bans anyone, you're crazy. Which I think gets to the heart of the matter. You're just crazy.

Oh, and I guess I didn't filter the post either. Akismet tends to do a wonderful job of that on its own when you lace things with profanities and web links. That's its job. I rarely break a message free from that unless I can tell it has something useful to do, which none of your comments did.

@Conner: Akismet clearly will not lock someone out of the system unless they demonstrate nothing but spamming intent. Fury got those last two comments through just fine. Though the more spam he sends, the more likely he will be to get flagged as a spammer and the more likely he'll be to get dropped at any Akismet using blogs or sites. In the long run, he damaged only himself.

Ah, I understand Samson, it's just been awhile since I last used and then you hadn't added the means to do anything about it's actions yet either.

On a separate note, he threatened bodily injury via the contact form? That's more silly than one might even initially think. Assuming he even knew your address (not that it'd be that hard to find, I imagine, though I've never had a need to try to find it myself), he'd have to get here from Australia, which can't be cheap no matter how he does it.. and over what?? *shaking his head* I have to admit, were someone to post a personal threat on my site against me or my family like that I would probably ban them before I even thought about my next reaction, which would probably be to either print a copy to turn in to the police (would that fall under CIA jurisdiction since it involves an international threat?) or just laugh it off as being utterly rediculous to begin with, but either way they'd already be banned.

On the other hand, I can't really picture Kayle getting [too] offended by being called a fascist...

Hmm, could've sworn I'd typed "Akismet," between "last used" and "and then", but I am on a laptop with a hyper sensitive touchpad. *sigh* I really can't wait to finish this move so I can go back to using a real keyboard again. Sadly, it's looking like my new home is just a little too far from any city limits to be reached by cable or DSL so I'm having to drop to satelitte based internet, so I'm not sure the new broadband is going to feel even as broad to me as some of the hotels I've stayed at over the last few months compared to what I'd grown accustomed to at home before this.

So, in an attempt to get this thread back on topic finally: It appears that after that missle test the people of North Korea have rallied behind their beloved leader and re-elected him for another term. I didn't even know his previous term was close to an end. Go figure.

Heh. Kayle didn't care what he thought really. Fury was the second person Kayle has banned from the network, and the 3rd one I know of being banned in all the time I've participated. Cratylus isn't banned anymore, and Rogel is no longer around. So it's pretty much just Fury being banned there.

His anger being directed at me is not entirely unexpected since he doesn't much care for people who point out his behavior to him as asinine. Drawing down a ban from TMC should give you some idea of just how far he fell. He had kept his composure on MudBytes until Kayle raised the issue of him coming to me to get his IMC ban lifted. Then he simply flew off the rails when I verified what Kayle said. Profanity laced posts, etc. Asylumius took care of it in short order, but of course Fury decided to try and circumvent the ban, first with a bogus account then with proxies after his IP was blocked. Given the restrictive nature of Australian ISPs you'd think it unwise of him to engage in abusive behavior like that since one call to his ISP could get his connection severed. Still, despite all that, he's not banned from everywhere. TMC, MudBytes, IMC, and here are hardly everywhere. He's not even banned on SmaugMuds.org - and won't be provided he doesn't fly off the rails there. However he did make me waste some time adding IP tracking to the email comment form and checking to see that user registrations got routed through Akismet. So even in his own twisted way he's aided the development of Sandbox a bit more, even if only incidentally.

As far as North Korea, yeah. Pretty laughable that they had an "election". As if anyone would dare oppose Kim Jong Il. As if there were even any other candidates on the ballot. No, we're likely going to have to wait for the guy to die and then hope whoever takes over for him isn't an insane totalitarian.

Re: Fury
You'd think that, if Australian ISPs are that restrictive, Australians would be amongst the very nicest people on the internet. I really don't understand why he's going off so badly as it is, but either way, at least something good came of it. One of these days I'm going to have to check out Sandbox again, at the rate you've been adding features to it I may eventually be able to go back to it instead of continuing to use QSFP for my family blog.

Re: North Korea
You mean he hasn't forced anyone to bear him an heir he can groom as his replacement yet? Maybe my CIA comment had more merit than I'd realized then.

Supposedly his son is being groomed for the spot, but that wasn't supposed to be done for several more years. Nobody counted on Kim Jong Il having a stroke and being a walking dead at this point.

The missile launch was deliberately timed to attract the most attention while Obama was over in Europe selling out our country to the liberal appeasers who want us to give up our nukes and join their fantasy utopia where everyone is peace loving and non-violent. As far as I'm concerned, Obama failed the test before NK pushed the button.

Oh, I was thinking that I'd heard he had a son he was molding into a mini-me, but when you implied that no one knew yet who'd be his replacement I questioned what I'd remembered.

You figure Jong actually post-poned his big missile test just for Obama's sake?
Well, of course Obama failed the test before this event, he told us up front that he wanted the standard Democratic party line for the most part and demonstrated before "we" even elected him that he was basically all talk.

He was molding his son into a mini-me, but the process is nowhere near complete yet. Or so I gathered from the various talking heads who were discussing it the other night. They're all paranoid that there's no proper succession in place and that NK is going to "collapse" because of it. It's sort of hard to collapse when you've never been up on your feet to begin with except for the military.

Now I suppose that could be what they meant. That NK's military may collapse. Such a thing would probably be very bad for a lot of people in the area since elements of their military would love to steamroll our 40,000 troops along the 38th parallel. Having an army of around 2 million men rushing the border because some rogue general says he's in charge would turn ugly fast. Tac-nukes would almost surely be needed to stop them.

And when I said he setup the missile launch to coincide with Obama's trip to Europe, I didn't mean he did it for his benefit. I meant he did it to cause embarrassment for the US. It appears to be working rather well since Obama ran like a crying child to the UN for help.

Yeah, I honestly couldn't care less about being called a fascist, or a communist, or a nazi, or whatever anyone else wants to call me. It's actually rather humorous that they're calling me a fascist for documenting the things we've abided by on the network for so long anyway. The best part is, Cratylus is far more aggressive in upholding his rules on i3 than I am on IMC2. Yet, I'm the fascist because I made rules... Mhmm.

Oh, and uh.. blame it on France. or whatever Samson's line normally is when dealing with international issues.

Samson:
Makes you wonder what, if any, parts of the process are completed, maybe he's already got the meglomania in place, or maybe just the lust for power, or perhaps just the general lack of value for people, or maybe some sort of partial combination of traits. Either way, they really think he's "at death's door" already? Hadn't they thought that about Fidel Castro too for years?

A collapse of North Korea.. well, they could've meant the general government, but given that it's mostly a police state anyway over there.. you know, even if some elements would love to steamroll our boys holding the 38th, what's to say that a different rogue general who couldn't care less about South Korea wouldn't seize power first? Either way, at this point I suppose it's fair to say that North Korea could actually be much worse off than having Kim Jong II in charge.

Oh, that makes sense. But didn't Obama tell us all before the elections that he'd do that too? Anyone remember "we are the world", isn't that basically Obama's theme song? Perhaps "I'd like to teach the world to sing"?

Kayle:
For documenting or enforcing? Far as I'm concerned forums & chat networks both need established and enforced rules, not necessarily a lot of them, but some.

Actually, I hadn't seen David over here in awhile now. *shrug*