Empire of the Iguanadons

Yeah, this is what I get for following links from promotional OB videos in peoples' threads. I have to admit, cheesy as it is, it was funny as hell :)
.........................
"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

That WAS funny.

On a totally more serious note, for the none of you who haven't already seen it:

There's 9 minutes of my life I can never get back.

I laughed.
I cried.
I realized some people have too much time on their hands.

Aww, I don't get to enjoy the humor since I can't turn my computer's sound back on til 'after hours'. *sigh* ...that's okay, ultimately Whir probably had it about right.

May as well hijack this for general talk stuff too.

A friendly warning to all who drop in here, do yourself a favor and don't waste time looking into or downloading any mods by Giskard. There's some rather lengthy history with this guy. He's extremely hostile and rude and if you even suggest one of his mods might have a bug, he'll eat your face off and then threaten to call the cops on you.

I and others have had the misfortune of having to deal with this guy on more than one occasion over the last 2 years. I myself just found out he had me banned from one of the mod hosting sites after he convinced himself I was uploading "fake" versions of his mods to the site. He filed a report against me with the admins there. I only found out who was behind it when I tried to appeal since I had no idea what the fuck was going on. The junior admin who handled my appeal got word from his "boss" that Giskard "had evidence" that it was me who uploaded his stuff. Of course, I was never supposed to find out who did it, but there you go.

Yes, the OB modding world has drama too. Usually it doesn't last long, but there's always one of these guys in every crowd. Best just to ignore Giskard and let him wallow in obscurity. The modding community is getting along fine without him

lol

sounds familiar....

Yes, it does, but at least the OB community has properly dealt with the problem by isolating the guy so he can't cause any real trouble other than in obscure places.

I have to agree with Hanaisse on this one, it does sound rather familiar. It's good to hear that the Oblivion community hasn't dealt with this one as ineffectively as the mud community usually deals with it's "problem children" though. I take it that this Giskard's mods aren't "all that" anyway? (Or at least no where nearly good enough to merit the drama they end up entailing?)

Yes. The modding community gave the guy a pretty sound thumping on the official forums. It came fast, hard, and without reservation. And that was before the forum mods had to step in to put the fire out. He's one of the few people they've actually had to ban there. There's something to be said for a commercial gaming site. When the hammer comes down, it's for a damn good reason.

Giskard has since trotted off to his own private forum space where he lords himself over his members and basically demands they post a bunch on his site before letting people download. Not the usual 1 or 2, but a bunch. And you can't ever say anything negative about his work, or even bring up a perfectly legitimate issue with bugs or quality. Otherwise it's instaban and you're a "Beth forum troll."

Best to avoid anything he's touched really. The concepts are solid, but the execution is bug-ridden trash.

Indeed, there is something to be said for a site (commercial or otherwise) that knows when and why to use the ban hammer and doesn't go backing down once it's done.

Understood.

This is interesting.

What the hell was Maliq up to?

Been experimenting with body mods I see

Maliq is missing his hand and foot textures. Or he's been voting in Iraqi elections.

His hands and feet are pink so either he's been recently caught red handed, but still long enough ago for it to have started to wear off, or.. maybe he's doing a breast cancer awareness thing.. ;D

Teehee..

Yeah, I actually figured out what was wrong while I was in the middle of the grocery store getting dinner, although I will not admit that Samson was right

I think I'll leave it like that. As a huge breast cancer awareness supporter I like Conner's explanation best
(Sorry Dwip, but he looks cute!)

Gotta love overly complicated structured mods that come with billions of folders and no install instructions.

My eeeeeeyyyyyeeeeesssss



And this, boys, girls, and Argonians, is why God invented the .bsa file. And the special mod-specific directory, although the engine makes that hard some days. Menu icons, I mean you.



Clever. Maliq, as we all know, is a big supporter of democracy. But not M'aiq. He's a liar.

Hanaisse: Somehow I had a feeling you'd like that explanation, glad I was right this time.

Dwip: Not a fan of pink, eh? :D
Maliq is a big supporter of democracy?

Well, it's not easily apparent from the screenshot, but it's really purple and not pink

Yes, Maliq is a big supporter of democracy. He voted 4 times, can't you tell?

Ah, but purple doesn't work for the breast cancer awareness thing.. and it really does look pink from the screenshot. *shrug*

Ah, like the Chicago mobsters who managed to get votes from the local cemetery residents a few decades ago.. ;D

Here's one I liked when I first saw it. Vicente Valtieri is my favorite character in the game.

For a change, I even had my sound on but I still couldn't hear anything. Otherwise, nice enough video. *shrug*

The Easter Bunny! In Faregyl?

Just thought I'd share Now that I know how to make screenshots out of the game I'm a photomaniac!

Muahahahahaha...

My secret nirnroot grow-op room and contraband potion (elixer? I forget) of exploration lab.

I hope DarkRider has a sense of humour, it's in my final exam of CS basics :D

That easter bunny of yours even looks like he could be made of chocolate.. can you bite his ears off in-game? :D

You can transplant nirnroot that way??
Nice lab.

Good luck with that one! :D

WOOHOO! I graduated from basic modding school!! I'm announcing it in this topic cuz it is LOL :D I have the potential to be dangerous now, muahaha.

For anyone with mild interest you can view all my pics of it here, as well as the rest of my awesome screenshots of the game.

(Yes Conner, the bunny IS made of chocolate, and it respawns every 3 days, yum!)

Welcome to the dark side, Hanaisse.

You've an appreciation for the excellence of rabbits, so I'm sure you'll do quite well.



Well, we wouldn't know anything about that around here, would we Samson? Samson? ...oh dear.

But at least you'd never catch me doing anything like that! Nope.

...I'm not fooling anyone, am I?

Congratulations Hanaisse!


very nice gallery.


Oh, that's awesome! How do I add such a bunny to my copy of the game, my character doesn't seem to genuinely get hungry but maybe he would if there were chocolate easter bunnies to be found.


Especially once you start actually releasing mods, particularly since Dwip isn't in the habit of rating mods frequently.


Um, yeah, Samson's got quite a picture collection, not the least bit overboard at all... provided you've got a fetish for oblivion screen shots.


Nope.

WTH did you DO to Mireena!!!???? Oh the horror...


Well, you play through the entire game - twice - get bored, put it away for a year, return to it, still bored, get yourself the construction set, run through the tutorials in modding school, and make your own! (Ok, I didn't make a chocolate bunny, but I could!)
Or, you could take the easy route and just buy your own to eat while playing


Not me, since I've got your blog on bookmarks too I see all :D
Maybe one day I'll actually register (you've been warned).

So, it turns out, as I discovered back in, oh, 2008 when I first did this part, that SetRigidBodyMass doesn't really play all that well with MoveToMarker. It works even less well if you don't write your condition checks well, and the whole thing resulted in about 30 seconds of Mireena staring straight ahead unblinking before teleporting and collapsing in a pile.

There's an awful lot of really fun ways to break the game if you want, or don't know how.



I need more commenters anyway. I also need to start posting regularly again, but.

With regard to Oblivion, that sounds much more my speed.. though you left out the option to have someone (like Hanaisse) make one as a very minor mod for me to import.


Well, for what it's worth, I've visited a few times now myself and I keep telling myself that once I find a little more spare time I'm going to become a regular there, so one of these days you'll have to try to contain your shock at finding me registered there too.

Funny enough, I've been thinking of doing just that all night lol. Make a chocolate bunny tagged as a weapon, so you can hold it in your hand and pretend to eat it. Mmmmm...
Only problem is, that's the texturing class that I'm having minor issues with atm. Stupid photoshop won't co-operate.


Be careful what you wish for! lol

Great minds and all that, eh?
Hmm, I'd offer to help if I could, but that distinctly sounds like graphics type stuff and in that arena I could only do more harm than good for you, sorry.
Indeed, Dwip should be wary! ;D

Hehehe, we could both be dangerous to the world of Tamriel!

While I'm thinking of it I should ask Samson - were the bunnies in Faregyl from Mr_Siikas rabbits resource? (just so I know the source). I'm going on a mad shopping spree for resource mods today, lol

Sounds very likely. :D

Yes, that's where they came from. I guess if that's not clear enough in the credits I need to change that

I was just too lazy too look

So, AFK_Weye is a year old today. And since I posted a few screenshots of version 2 at Bethsoft... Click me!

Happy Birthday AFK_Weye !!!

Awesome, big congrats on all your hard work Dwip. The new screenies look too cool. Purple halls! The new features sound fascinating.

That's three large mods I'm eagerly awaiting (this, ABR and Reclaiming Sancre Tor). I'm bouncing in my seat.

Indeed, Dwip, Happy Birthday to AFK_Weye!
I'd have to agree, that the purple halls image looks the coolest of those, but the manor house looks pretty nice too.

A tasty treat for Conner


roflmaoomgitssocute

Aww, thank you! You shouldn't have. I didn't have a chance to get you anything in return...
Well, Happy Purim (or Easter, in advance, if you prefer?) maybe this'll do as a return gift:

It's not Oblivion related, but can you image how hard it would be to find a picture of a plate of hamentaschen in Tamriel?

Well, I have no idea what that is, but it looks mouth watering


And, sorry if this offends anyone but I just have to get it out....

YEAH TEAM CANADA!!!!!

They're cookies with fruit filling in their middles, very yummy.

None taken, in fact, here ya' go:

So.... anyone up for some utterly baseless speculation?

If you read that first, then go read the unverifiable transcripts that are linked, I challenge anyone to conclude what the "something else" Bethesda refereed to was. Cause unless I'm blind and missed it entirely, they weren't referring to an Elder Scrolls MMO. Something I'd stay far FAR away from because I like my TES games sandboxed, thank you very much.

It's a pretty vague "something else." Maybe a TES MMO, maybe not. It strikes me as an odd idea, considering the design philosophy behind every single other TES game ever, but stranger things have happened. We'll see when we get there, I suppose.

You mean this part?

Um, yeah. I see nowhere in those "transcripts" any mention of TES, so where did the guy on the first page get that idea? If you look at the last line of his little story it's basically "some random anonymous guy said...". Ohh sure, well then NOW I believe it.

I have to add this, because it's funny as hell;

I underlined to highlight my point here. Is this lawyer a 20year old surfer dude? Lawyers don't talk like that!

One more thing;

Yeah, like maybe that guy's page?

I'm with you though Samson, I would hate to see the next Elder Scrolls come out as an MMO. I hate MMO's. I deal with enough people in real life, I don't need to deal with them when I sit down to relax with a game, thankyouverymuch.

Yeah, I don't know where this guy got the transcripts other than someone calling himself "orion" something. The dude posted in one of the threads I jumped links to and he was going on about the Federal Reserve and conspiracies and a bunch of lunatic stuff so I think he was on crack jumping to stupid conclusions that both of the Fallout game sites never bothered to question. There's no evidence that it's a TES MMO being discussed. I think he's misunderstood the entire case, because Bethesda is suing to stop someone in Bulgaria from making a Fallout MMO because they failed to meet their contractual obligations.

The problem is, Bethesda shoots themselves in the foot by not being up front about what they ARE doing and leave people no choice but to speculate about what they're not doing. All of the information I was ever able to gather up say that if there is going to be a TES MMO, it would be coming out of Zenimax, not Bethesda.

How nice.. so, the bottom line isn't that TES won't be an MMO, but it's not likely to be one from Bethesda...

Zenimax is Bethesda's parent company. Don't think for one minute that they'd step on the existing universe or that Bethesda wouldn't have any input into it. It just won't be what Bethesda's in-house developers are working on.

All reliable information to date says Bethesda is working on Fallout: New Vegas, and TES V. Anything else besides that is baseless rumor.

That's understandable, why take it off-site when you can just let another department deal with the online aspects and still have major input.

Fallout in Vegas, huh? Do you suppose we'll have radioactive show/call-girls?
If IV was Oblivion, any thoughts on what V might be?

Well I'd obviously be speculating myself, but rumor has it TES V will take place in either Skyrim or Summerset Isles. Personally I'd rather see Summerset myself. Skyrim is nothing but snow

I rather enjoyed Icewind Dale, but I've already played it so, of those choices, I'll second the motion that Bethesda go with Summerset Isles.

Yeah, Summerset Isles is what I've been hearing (seeing?). But who's to say. It could end up something completely new.

Funny tidbit of the day: There's apparently someone over at the Official Forums with a thread about a very large mod they are making of Summerset, very SI-ish by the sounds of it. Also including all new meshes and textures, new graphics rendering to make the textures pop, all in all a huge undertaking. Won't he be kicking himself if it is Summerset in the new game

Don't suppose anyone knows how long the Bethesda forums have been down?

As far as I know, about 4 hours so far.

Wonder if they're finally moving the place to a faster server. That would be nice

Hmm. Interesting. Nexus forums were down earlier too because of corrupted DB tables.

So, I don't visit the official forums.... did they upgrade or just regular maintenance?
I didn't notice any problems at nexus but his latest news suggests continual upgrades. I guess he's got the bug like you

This is beyond normal maintenance. I'm assuming they're upgrading but Gstaff hasn't said anything about why it's down over at bethblog.com. An outage this long suggests an upgrade, and possibly one that didn't go over so well.

Nexus was down due to corrupt DB tables. Dark0ne mentioning ongoing updates is cool though, so yeah, maybe the coder bug is going around

The possibly one that didn't go over so well part sounds about right to me, but what would I know?

The coding bug going around would be pretty cool, I really need to find some form of income I can start getting from home so I could get back to a little more active coding myself. :sigh:

And, yes, that would be ironic if the poor guy completed his huge mod of Summerset only to find out that the next installment of the game was definitely to be set there.. even worse would be if he finished it and released his mod right before, or just as, Bethesda released TES V taking place there.

OH GOD THE FORUMS ARE DOWN WHAT WILL I D...ERK

Gstaff did mention in comments that they're shooting for tomorrow to get the forums back up. That's fairly serious.

Certainly sounds serious anyway.

Well, that new skin is certainly...something.

Well, I don't even know what it looked like before, but this one is pretty gay. Looks like a 6 year old drew the header.

Samson no like new skin

I could probably be made less annoyed if it expanded to fill my screen. I feel like I'm watching a broadcast from 1985 on an HDTV.

Oh, and it's amazing how that icon set on their really black pages gets around. Those are the same icons I found and used in the Ashlander skin for QSFP, and had planned on making some use of for the skin here

I guess I don't remember what it looked like the last time I visited there, but the forums don't look that bad to me. Unless I've hit the wrong forums? I mean, everything still seems legible enough, and the colors aren't ghastly or anything. The header could've been done more nicely I suppose, but given my own graphics ability, I'm not exactly in a position to give criticism to someone else's artwork.

I'm not unhappy with the color scheme in general. What I'm unhappy with is 400-500 pixels of perfectly good horizontal screen space going to waste on this ridiculous notion that fixed width displays are cool. Plus the fact that when you get to the subform you frequent, the "new posts" icon next to the thread is nearly indistinguishable from the "no new posts" icon.

Ah, see, I'd not logged in when I visited because I was just visiting to see what y'all were complaining about before throwing in my two cents here. So the new posts doesn't really apply as everything is new to anonymous, and (presumably because) I'm on my laptop, set to 1280x800, using opera so everything fit my screen just fine.

Yes, it is an annoying fixed width, and after awhile that light brown border against the black forums messes with my eyes. Plus, scrolling down a page of forum topics is really slow. Is it just me?
I know we're not the only ones whining about it either. But, c'est la vie. Took them more than a day to come out with that? Pah

Omg, the Fallout3 forum is green

Maybe I just didn't spend enough time there to see the effects of the tan against the black?
Um, given my internet here, scrolling down a page of topics is slow even here... :sigh:

If all they did was to change out a skin on a forums, that shouldn't have needed more than a few minutes of downtime if any at all. It should've all been done offline and just brought online after local testing... at least that's how it works for us QSFP admins.

They didn't just mess with the skins. They tossed out their Invisionboard 2.x software in favor of the much newer and nicer IP.Board 3.x software. Same software TES Alliance is using. However, you'll probably notice quickly that TESA is using it to much better effect. The Bethesda forum feels claustrophobic to me now.

Wow, hard to see it's the same software they're so dramatically different. TESA's layout is definitely much nicer. Hope DarkRider doesn't get any (bad) ideas

BTW, if you want to know what the old layout looked like: http://bgsfthreads.webs.com/Red%20folder.bmp It's a bmp, but I miss that already. So nice and clean and clutter free *sigh*

What's killing me is the grey text on the brown texture, plus the enormous black bar things for the topic lists. It's almost impossible to read (as in, it's actually painful now), and it's very hard for me to believe that multiple people thought this was a good idea.

I can handle the 800x600ness pretty well, though. Not much of a complaint there, since I browse with half a screen anyway.

Hmm, so they switched from Invision to this one, eh? I didn't notice which forum software it had been before, but I agree that it looks pretty nice the way TES has it set up.

I guess, after seeing that bitmap, I can see the differences y'all are talking about now, but I guess the new layout just doesn't have as many issues for me in Opera or something because I'm still not seeing it as nearly as badly as you guys seem to be. Still, if they've gotten a lot of complaints as Hanaisse imparted, they should probably consider letting users select between the old and new skins.

Well, apparently from a post Dark0ne made on the Bethesda forum, Invision is abandoning the 2.x code branch. This would explain why both Bethesda and Nexus felt it necessary to do these upgrades now on such short notice. One of the disadvantages of using a closed-source forum I guess.

Good God, Samson. How many people did you hit with your coding bug?
I may have spoke too soon about him getting (bad) ideas

(and yeah, the old beth forum looked much better)

Where did you see that posted? Can't find it - this is where linking to the source would have been handy

Oh sorry, it was a comment out of the shoutbox, no official announcement or anything so nothing to link to.
So far there's one noticeable change (at the very bottom), but no 'news' about it.

At least he's doing his changes online without the whole day of downtime on y'all.

That's because TESA won't need to do a major overhaul in order to add more goodies. They've been running IP.Board 3.x for some time now.

That makes sense.

It's actually looking pretty nice, streamlined but not too much where everything is hidden.

Hijacking thread

So, I finally got around to installing Weather - All Natural since it was just updated (0.9.9).
Question: Um, is it supposed to snow in the Imperial City?

Uh, no, I wouldn't think it should be snowing in the IC. What version of OBSE are you using?

Just so you don't think I'm crazy. Maybe it's the stars falling

I'm using v0018beta4 OBSE, have been for awhile so that's not screwy. Could I have messed up something in the ini config file?
Another dumb question while I'm at it: Can/should I use both allnatural.esp and allnatural - SI.esp? Or should I only use one? (The readme doesn't say just use one).

You might need to bump that to v0018b6 instead since a lot of the most recent work was done with that version in the CS.

If you have SI and want All Natural to extend interior weather to it, you need to install the SI file. It isn't required though.

Knowing what a stickler you are for ReadMe's, I just have to say: The ReadMe does not specify a particular version is required, just that 0018 is required. I would think it would be a big deal for a lot of people to upgrade AN without knowing to upgrade their OBSE.

Not that I don't believe you, but I think I'll post this at the Nexus thread and get WrinklyNinja to take a stab at it. After all, you did say to report any funky weather

Thanks!

Yeah, if it's not in the readme we need to put it there. I'd have to go dig it up but I seem to recall reading in the OBSE thread that stuff compiled under 0018b6 needs 0018b6 to run the game from too or it won't work right. So it might be impacting the regional weather code.

Nice screen shot, Hanaisse. I vote for the stars falling theory, but that may just be that the whole chicken little notion appeals to my sense of humor rather than any logical or otherwise good rationale.

So, while I suspect that I'm going to regret having asked, is the Imperial City close enough to the equator that it can't snow there or something?

Hanaisse,

Could you post your load order? Either here or in the official thread?

@Conner: The sky is falling! lol, yeah, I went to bed thinking the same thing
You are correct. It only snows up around Bruma and the northern border, never as far down as the Imperial City. Notice as well in that pic the sky was clear, lol, and the awesome nebula.

@Samson: Of course, that makes sense. Perhaps no one tested it with a lower version to find such anomolies.

Active Mod Files:
00  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]
----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm
01  Oblivion.esm
02  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]
03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
04  Windfall.esm
05  CM Partners.esm
06  CM Partners.esp
07  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
08  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
09  All Natural - Natural Weather.esp  [Version Final]
0A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.4]
0B  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.4]
0C  BulkyNord.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  DLCHorseArmor.esp
0F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
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11  DLCThievesDen.esp
12  Knights.esp
13  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
14  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
15  300_White Stallion 4.esp
16  BXX_Mines.esp
17  Rainbows.esp
18  UFF Lady Shadow.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
19  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
1A  OCC-KR-Patch.esp
1B  Eterniums Chest Of Arrows.esp
1C  The Lost Spires.esp
1D  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
1E  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
1F  Slof's Eyren Armours.esp
20  Storms & Sound.esp
21  Ice Gowns for HGEC.esp
22  Gloria Armor.esp
23  Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp
24  Cliff's Smokey Chimneys.esp
25  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.2]
26  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
27  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
28  Windfall.esp
29  bartholm.esp
2A  Elwing.esp
2B  300 Feudal Empire.esp
2C  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
2D  Open Cities Road Record.esp
2E  Open Cities Leyawiin.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
2F  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
30  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
31  Open Cities Anvil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
32  Open Cities Bravil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
33  Open Cities Cheydinhal.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
34  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
35  Open Cities Chorrol.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
36  Open Cities Skingrad.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
37  KF Chapel Shop.esp
38  AFK_Weye.esp
39  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp
3A  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
3B  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp
3C  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp
3D  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
3E  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0]
3F  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
40  zzxxxx.esp
41  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.0]
42  Golden Saint and Dark Seducer Gear for Sale.esp
43  HanasHeaven.esp
44  VGA_SaintSeducer.esp
45  TutorialModTest.esp
46  HanasCrypt.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
47  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp

Is the All natural esm supposed to supercede the Oblivion esm?

No, Oblivion.esm should always be first, and the filter mod you have at the bottom should be above the bashed patch, not below it. Same with that road record file.

It was a very pretty night sky in that screenshot. We love being out here on a big farm where we can see a ton of stars at night, but even we never get nights with nebula like that.
That's quite a list of esp's & esm's.. all that doesn't bog your system enough to impact game play? (I don't mean to detract from the tech support aspects of this, but I know I can't help nearly as well as Samson could so I'm looking at other aspects.)

Well, hrm.. OB was always first until I installed this and I thought it was odd when AN came out on top. Are esm's ordered by date like esp's? Is it as simple as changing the date? (I have never been able to re-order stuff in BASH except by date, even tho it says there's a re-order function). Gonna do it anyway, wish me luck

@Conner: Ocassionally I do get a stutter/pause here and there, but for the most part it's pretty smooth. The real hit is loading screens, or maybe I'm just impatient lol. It's really not that many mods compared to some people who I've heard claim to have 'a hundred or more'.

Edit: Mmkay, re-ordered so Oblivion.esm is first and redated the bashed patch to today so the other two files would be above it. Lo and behold after running through BOSS, the two files were still below the patch. A little detective work discovered this;

Indoor Weather Filter dated 8/23/2013 9:11:42 PM (<-- btw, co-incidentally this will be a milestone birthday for me )
NRB4 Standard Road Record dated 3/19/2017 6:37:19 PM

The author of both of these files, the one and only Arthmoor! Redated so they come in above the patch.
So Samson, I blame you, for everything

Time to jump in the game and see what havoc I created

Hmm, good to know, thanks for sharing, Hanaisse.

So, that milestone birthday is when you turn 21 again?

Good luck! :D

BOSS should be automatically redating those files when you run it. Make sure Wrye Bash isn't set to lock times. Right click on the "files" column and make sure it's not set, otherwise Bash will simply reset things back the way they were.

Ahem. It's not a claim. 169 active

Active Mod Files:
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01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]
03  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5]
04  CM Partners.esm
05  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
06  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
07  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
08  VASE - core.esm
09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
0A  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]
0B  Children Of Rourken.esm
0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0D  TR_OoT_Main.esm
0E  Windfall.esm
0F  GTAesgaard_2.esm
10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]
11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
12  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.2]
13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
15  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
16  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
17  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]
++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
18  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp  [Version 1.66]
19  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
1A  TIE.esp  [Version 1.33]
1B  Frans Illuminate Staff NPCs.esp
++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]
1C  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp
++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
1D  Happyhannah's Wines.esp  [Version 1.1]
1E  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
1F  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 1.3]
20  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]
21  DLCHorseArmor.esp
22  DLCOrrery.esp
23  DLCFrostcrag.esp
24  DLCThievesDen.esp
25  DLCVileLair.esp
26  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
27  DLCSpellTomes.esp
28  Knights.esp
29  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2A  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.21]
2B  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
2C  Whispered Warning.esp
2D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.1]
2E  OCC-KR-Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
2F  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
30  TOTF.esp  [Version 1.22]
31  OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp  [Version 4.2]
32  RTT.esp  [Version 3.01]
33  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
34  OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
35  Malevolent.esp  [Version 1.02]
36  OCC-Malevolent-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]
37  GTAesgaard.esp
38  GTAesgaard_2.esp
39  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]
3A  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]
3B  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]
3C  Nascosto Isles 3.esp
3D  COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp
3E  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
3F  WeynonRetreat.esp  [Version 1.4]
40  The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 1.4]
41  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
42  C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
43  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5]
44  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2.1]
45  Windfall.esp
46  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
47  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.2]
48  HackdirtCaverns.esp
49  Mimics!.esp
4A  EaglesRest.esp  [Version 1.0]
4B  Snow Line Lodge.esp
4C  Better Benirus Manor - Complete.esp
4D  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary for OBSE.esp  [Version 2.3]
4E  Gaelendryl.esp
4F  Dungeons Merger.esp
50  Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp
51  Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp
52  AdenseEpicDungeon1_5.esp
53  JQ-Return_of_Dagoth_Ur.esp
54  TheOubliette.esp
55  PTArtifacts.esp
56  A Imperial Outpost - Fort Nova Varos .esp
57  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
58  Valley_View_Estate.esp
59  InnsOfCyrodill.esp
5A  Shezrie's Villages.esp
5B  TR_Stirk.esp
5C  To Feed an Empire - Wickmere Farm.esp  [Version 1.0]
5D  Damarask.esp  [Version 1.02]
5E  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp  [Version 1.3]
5F  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5]
60  AFK_Weye.esp
61  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
62  runestone.esp
63  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
64  ElsweyrC&CBlackwoodPatch.esp
65  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.4]
66  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
67  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
68  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0]
69  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
6A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
6B  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
6C  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
6D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
6E  XulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2]
6F  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
70  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]
71  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
72  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
73  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
74  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
75  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
76  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
77  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]
78  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
79  xulTheHeath.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
7A  xulPantherRiver.esp
7B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
7C  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
7D  xulBlackwoodForest.esp
7E  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
7F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
80  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
81  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
82  West Roads.esp
83  Castle_Seaview.esp
84  EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
85  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
86  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
87  WeynonRetreat-ChorrolHinterland-Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
88  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
89  ValleyViewEstate-RiverEthe patch.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
8A  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
8B  Mimics+Ravenview+Cloudtop Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
8C  Gaelendryll-BrenaRiver patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
8D  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8E  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8F  Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
90  Verwen Brewery.esp  [Version 1.01]
91  A Imperial Outpost - Fort Novi Sad.esp
92  bartholm.esp
93  Bravil Docks.esp  [Version 1.0]
94  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
95  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
96  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5]
97  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 1.0]
98  OCC-ULCH-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]
99  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]
9A  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
9B  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
9C  OC+Bravil Docks Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
9D  OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
9E  OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
9F  OC+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
A0  ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp
A1  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]
A2  AFK_Blades_EQ.esp  [Version 1.0]
A3  WindowLightingSystem.esp
A4  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
A5  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Symphony of Violence.esp
++  Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp
++  Visually Realistic Lava.esp
++  TrollfLoadingScreens.esp
**  Rusty+Fine Items.esp
**  Book Jackets OB+SI+DLC.esp
**  Clutter Graphics.esp
++  QuestDialogueFix.esp
A6  PersonalMerge.esp
A7  Streamline.esp  [Version 3.11]
**  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp
A8  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Yes, I just added codebox support because of this

Oh, and once you've moved those files, you need to rebuild your bashed patch before it'll be fixed.

Oh, and:

2D  Open Cities Road Record.esp
2E  Open Cities Leyawiin.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
31  Open Cities Anvil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
32  Open Cities Bravil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
33  Open Cities Cheydinhal.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
35  Open Cities Chorrol.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
36  Open Cities Skingrad.esp  [Version 3.3.3]

Noticed this just now. Is Bruma giving you some sort of trouble if you use it?

Oh that, that was back awhile ago, the posts long buried of the issue I had with Eternium's Chest of Arrows and Bruma. So I unloaded full OC and went with the individual cities to remove Bruma, but there's still the same problem so it's the Eternium mod that's borked and I just haven't switched back to full OC yet.

Yes, I rebuilt the patch, and thanks for the info about lock times. When I looked it was checked, so I've unchecked it now.

That's some impressive list! Almost half of those are Unique Landscapes and patches, wow! I haven't taken the leap to UL yet, I will though soon. This one --> AFK_Blades_EQ <-- this is Dwip's, no? I remember reading about it, I guess on his blog and I liked, but I can't find it anywhere. Hey Dwip, how about sending me a little present?

And, oh yeah, the latest saga. I went in game and it was still snowing. It eventually cleared up after 2 in game hours. Hard to say if it'll happen again though. I mean, it's no big deal really, just a little odd. If it does then I'll upgrade OBSE. I just want to see if it does any other strange things first. It's funny how load orders work too. Before when I went in game the screen noticeably darkened a tad, now it's back to clear sailing. That should have been my first clue something wasn't right.

@Conner: Not 21 again, 21 the first time!

AFK_Blades_EQ: That's one of Dwip's private babies. You'll need to ask him.

Yes, a huge chunk is UL+Patches, and OC+Patches. Story of my life.

I don't suppose anyone happens to know of a good image of a Dwemer gear/cog do they? One where you're looking down on it laying flat on something?

Anon - Totally Photoshopped. We all know there aren't any glass claymores owned on tables in the entire world. But heh.

Samson - Lost Spires has a Dwemer cog model, I believe.

Hanaisse - It's moderately beta, but I'll see about packing it up and passing it along, since you asked. Watch this space.

[EDIT] AFK_Blades_EQ files here. Unlike in days of yore, this edition includes new cape and cloak models and textures for both the Blades and for the Imperial Dragon armor. See chests in the Cloud Ruler Temple armory and the Imperial Prison armory for details. Cloaks and armor respawn in their chests every three days. Void where prohibited. New levels of Blades armor at 8, 12, 18, and 22. Do not eat. Report all bugs and wishes. Cape and cloak meshes from All Capes, Cloaks, Gloves, and Robes. Will work at end of load order. Keep away from small children. All armor given is heavy of slightly worse than prevailing quality. Beware of dog. [/EDIT]

And just 'cause, here's Astarius modeling the capes:





Yes, I'm pretty fond of that Imperial Dragon getup.

@Samson: How's this?

@Anon: That was totally lol funny! Thanks!

@Dwip: I <3 u

Edit: Heh, I should refresh before I post next time, didn't see Dwip's edit. Thank you! Thank you! I love it, especially the capes.

Damn, Samson.. you do push your system's limits, don't you?
Nice code boxes too, btw.

Um, ok, Hanaisse, if you say so... I could've sworn you were roughly the same age bracket as Samson and myself and Fury and...

Um, yeah.. thanks for that strange insight into your life, Anon..

Dwip, any objections to others here snagging a copy as well, since you provided that lovely link and all...?

That does look a bit like what he asked for.

No problem, go right ahead. All that I ask is no redistribution, not that that's much of a problem.

Very cool, the most redistribution I'd do (especially without permission) is to install it to my laptop and desktop computers and share a copy with my wife for her laptop & desktop if she decides she likes it.. would that count?

(And THANKS! )

Have at it, and no problem. This is something I've pondered releasing publicly at some point, so if anybody has any suggestions, do let me know.

*slinks back to AFK_Weye alpha testing... argh*

For the record, "I'll come back later to hook up my dialogue trees and quest stage changes" is a really idiot idea, yet I keep doing it for some reason.

Also, if anybody has any ideas about this crazy bug I have, do tell. Goes like this. Skjorta, of Nord Winds fame, is totally AWOL in my Open Cities game. Nowhere to be found. I dropped a quest marker on her, which points to a fairly random spot near one of the ledges in the closed version of Bruma, but there's nothing there, and a quick browse with tcl on tells me she's not stuck in anything, she's just...nowhere. WTF?

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.8]
02  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
03  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]
04  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.4]
05  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
06  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
07  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
08  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
09  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]
0A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
0B  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.8]
0C  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.8]
0D  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version 0.9.6]
0E  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
0F  Weather Debug Ring.esp
10  Storms & Sound.esp
11  WindowLightingSystem.esp
12  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]
13  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
14  Better Wine SI.esp
15  Chapel Tithe.esp
16  CM_Better Wine.esp
17  ImprovedSigns.esp
18  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.4]
19  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]
1A  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
1B  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3]
1C  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]
1D  DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
1F  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]
20  DLCOrrery.esp
21  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
22  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
23  DLCVileLair.esp
24  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
25  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
26  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
27  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
28  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]
29  DLCSpellTomes.esp
2A  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
2B  Book Jackets DLC.esp
2C  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
2D  ACCCGR SI.esp
2E  FineWeapons.esp
2F  KDClothCirclets.esp
30  RustyItems.esp
31  Xifr's Plain Surcoats.esp
32  DLCThievesDen.esp
33  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
34  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
35  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.2]
36  dangerous wilderness.esp
37  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp
38  Better Benirus Manor - Complete.esp
39  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
3A  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
3B  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
3C  OCC-KR-Patch.esp
3D  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
3E  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
3F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
40  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
41  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.2]
42  DLCFrostcrag.esp
43  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
44  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]
45  BrumaMGRestored.esp
46  BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
47  Knights.esp
48  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
49  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]
4A  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
4B  The Lost Spires.esp
4C  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
4D  The Lost Spires_delayer.esp  [Version 1.1]
4E  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.2]
4F  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0]
50  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
51  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
52  NRB4+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]
53  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
54  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
55  Open Cities Full.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
56  Better Benirus Manor OC Patch.esp
57  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: AFK_Weye.esp
58  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
59  ATakesAll.esp
5A  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
5B  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5C  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5D  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5E  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
60  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]
61  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
62  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
63  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
64  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.8]
65  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: AFK_Weye.esp
66  AFK_Frostcrag.esp
67  AFK_Blades_EQ.esp  [Version 1.1]
68  AFK_Tweaks.esp
69  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]
6A  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.0]

(do ignore the delinquent master stuff. Fresh editing FTW)

Can you pop open tes4edit and look for formID 000362FC and tell me what, if anything, is editing that? It's her AI pack for drunken wandering. Also need to know if 000362FB has been edited as well. Those are the only two packs she uses outdoors in the city.

Both are edited by Oblivion.esm and Open Cities Full.esp and...nothing else.

This is an old save, so I'm not sure if this is some inherited bizzareness. I can't figure out why it would be quest markering the ground, though.

Any possibility she's dead and your quest marker is pointing to where she died long ago?

Thanks, if I can get her interested in Oblivion again (believe it or not, we bought the game because Samson had her wanting to play it but then when I started playing it the first time she decided the camera angles/motion were too much for her, I've since added a mod to fix that though but she still hasn't tried it herself yet), I suspect she'll want any mods I'm playing with too.

Your list is pretty impressive too, Dwip, not as big as Samson's but impressive none the less.

Maybe instead of Oblivion Humor this thread should be titled Oblivion Tech Support?
Does the game kill characters off sometimes through the normal game play when their death isn't part of a quest and you're not around? (Maybe she wandered randomly and got eaten by a wolf or some such?)

It could be, although I can't for the life of me figure out what would be killing her. It's not like she leads an exciting life.

Too, I just checked the CS, and apparently the QM is pointing at BrumaNortheastMarker - the closed one. How that works, I'm not sure.

And you're standing where it says she is with a green marker instead of a red one? I can only really go with what I see in my own files. The AI packs both target properly and I've seen her running around like a loon on several occasions.

I don't know how the QM could point to her XMarker if you used her as the target?

Yeah, I was standing right there, green marker, it's properly set up to point to SkjortaRef, and it's definitely pointing at the XMarker. I didn't figure as how it was an OCC bug, but damned if I can figure out why it would do that.

I suppose you could just hit the tilde and enter player.additem 00035EB4 and see if she pops back into existence with your quest marker now showing her where you are, no? Or would that be bad form?

As for what's killing her, my first suggestion was wandering and she found a wolf or some such, but if you really don't like that one, maybe in your absence she snuck through an obvlivion gate and came back bearing a new demonic infectious disease which killed her rather than letting her live as just a carrier?

Placeatme, I think, but either way. It's not a big deal for ME, since I can just load her up, but I was wondering if there was some deeper conspiracy, perhaps brought to us by the Ayleid aliens who were sighted over Weye a while back:

prid 00035EB4
moveto player

If she doesn't show up, she's dead. The mystery then becomes, how did she die? The answer of course is that the French are to blame.

Hmm, guess I hit the wrong site for my code for you. Sorry about that.

The aliens or the French.. tough call. If it was the aliens, maybe she was taken for probing & experimentation and will be back in a bit when they're done with her, wearing her tinfoil hat of course... if it was the French, perhaps she started choking on some escargot and someone tried to help her by making her try to eat a loaf of french bread followed by a glass of red wine... or, perhaps, she had a run in with Madame Guillotine and lost her head in the excitement of the moment... The french can be so revolting at times, just ask Marie Antoinette...

That was awful. I like it.

And I dunno. What if she was taken by the Fallout 3 aliens? Those things are hella creepy.

On another note, AddScriptPackage, you expletivly expletiving expletive, go expletiving expletive yourself in an expletiving fiery expletive, you expletiving expletive.

Which is to say the bug where ASP doesn't work with 0-length packages of any sort I can decipher is about the most annoying thing ever, considering the I have no idea how many packages I'm going to need to revert.

Also, it's considerably harder to test the entirity of AFK_Weye's quests in one go than it used to be. It's the aliens, I'm telling you.

Well, I suppose if it was the aliens from Fallout 3 then she's in real trouble, I'm pretty sure that someone from a world of sword & scorcery has zero change in a world of firearms & nuclear power.

As for your concerns with regard to AddScriptPackage, aside from deferring to Samson as the acknowledged and distinguished expert on Oblivion of the two of us, I must say that you're quite noticably upset by this and therefore your concerns have been duly noted.

The alien have also been notified of your aspersions against them and are expected to be arriving at your home very shortly.

Hanaisse, I hadn't even noticed you linked that cog pic, that's perfect. Hope you like what I did with it:

@Samson: Oh, lol, I wondered if you had noticed the tiny little link since you didn't say anything
Glad you like it, and that image is pretty cool! Is there a reason for it or just boredom?

@Dwip: Sorry, can't help you. If she's not in the old world space or the new then she's run off with Jorundr to lead a life of crime and you'll never see her again.

@Conner: Um, hi I have nothing to respond to you with right now lol

And this was just a random post to show off my guy and his shiny new armour. There, that long link should get attention

Conner - *chitter, squeak squeak chitter squeak. chitter chitter squeak chitter chitter. chitter squeak*

Hanaisse - Went for the cloak, I see. The normal-size one, if I'm not mistaken.

Samson - What Hanaisse said. Except now I keep envisioning it as doing this:

Ack, I'm gonna see that in my sleep now. Forever.

It's the large cloak actually. It's unfortunate that the end of it sits inside my horse when I mount tho. And Dwip, GUESS WHAT!?

DarkRider wants to use this for his Reclaiming Sancre Tor mod!!!!!! Please please reconsider releasing it if only exclusively for that. It would be totally awesome. (Are you even a member of TESA cause I don't see hide nor hair of ya over there)

@Samson: interesting image, but I'm with Dwip on this one, it looks good but sort of feels like it's about to start spinning that way.. and that's meant to be a logo for Oblivion mods in general then?

@Hanaisse: Nice looking cloak, but is the sword's scabbard supposed to poke through it in the back like that?
Oh, it pokes through your horse as well? Ouch, poor horse...

@Dwip: So, is that squirrel speak for.. something?

Conner - *chitter chitter squeak!*

Hanaisse - I'm not a TESA member...yet. I've been putting it off until the time comes for me to start asking them to do stuff.

Do feel free to have DarkRider PM me at Bethsoft (Dwip) or Nexus (afk_dwip) as he likes, though. I'd be happy to share, but I'd like to get through the...*counts*...62 bugs I just turned up playtesting AFK_Weye today before I go releasing more mods.

Incidentally, does the whole armory chest thing work out ok? I pondered adding an NPC/dialogue for an NPC, but decided it was more work than I wanted to do.

Too, I love those cloaks, but yeah. Clipping issues.

Dwip, you are a cruel cruel person! What has been seen cannot be unseen. I used the image in a couple of old posts, and one I was going to make soon. It's supposed to represent mods

I also have to agree, if DarkRider wants to use those for RST, dear God, please do consider that. Enshrined forever in the most epic quest mod of all time.

Erm, silly question, you do know they have a whole team of people just waiting to test mods? Why are you stressing yourself doing it alone?


It works for me, as this was only an add-on, the original Blades quest and Imperial Dragon armor quest long done and forgotten. For people (such as Conner) who haven't progressed to it yet it might be a little weird but I can't see how you could immerse it into an NPC/dialogue thing. Maybe you don't have to now if you give it to DarkRider, let him incorporate it and you won't need to release a standalone. Just a thought.

BTW! Love love love the legendary katanas! I forgot to mention that earlier. You actually got me to switch from Samson's starmetal ore longsword to this I may even play with it to jazz it up a bit with a katana retex resource over at TESA.

Edit: Oh, hmm, just found a little glitch Dwip. The red "tiny blades cape" doesn't show up when worn, but all the other tiny things do.

Edit2: DarkRider will PM you soon

Ok, Dwip, I still don't speak squirrel...

an NPC dialog type thing might be nice to tie it into the game more, but overall, yes, the armory chest works fine. If you were to let DR incorporate it as Hanaisse suggested, I suppose that'd work too. As a stand alone, I've seen a few over at Nexus that I thought sounded pretty cool that also used the same idea of a specific chest somewhere auto-repopulating with the added items so it's not exactly a foreign concept.

(I did the original blades quest out of the box.. imperial dragon armor?) While I didn't have Samson's starmetal ore longsword in my game yet (that I know of - since I do have Feldscar in now), I had been using Umbra's equipment before adding this mod (her gear looked really cool and has nice high numbers). I'm still using her sword, but have otherwise switched to your alloy gear completely - now I just need to find a better bow somewhere. The new katanas are sweet though. If I hadn't run into Umbra a bit ago, I'd definitely be using one of them.

Yeah, the clipping issue is interesting. The cape/cloak shows through your horse when mounted, my quiver pokes up through the cape/cloak as Hanaisse's sword pokes down through the cape/cloak.

A few reasons, which I shall elaborate on since you asked:

1. One of the reasons behind the playtesting is to note locations where I need to add HELLO and GOODBYE hooks for voice acting. Can't really do that without walking through it.

2. My understanding of the beta tester's guild rules is that they're, well, a BETA tester's guild. Right now, the stuff I have is heavily in alpha. A lot of it doesn't even come close to working right. I can't hand off something that broken to somebody else.

3. I also can't hand off something that I personally haven't been through. I'm testing some of this stuff for the first time. Some of it works well, some not, but without being familiar with things myself, I can't really hand it off to other people.

4. I'd rather meet my own quality standards first, then have other people improve on them, than the other way around. As our host will tell you, I'm a lot more of a pain in the ass in this regard than a lot of other people are.

All of which means a hell of a lot more pain for me, but if it results in a better mod at the end of the day, I'll do that.



Speaking of which, I saw that longsword you retexed over at TESA. Way cool. If you want to have a go at the Blades stuff, be my guest. If I like it enough, I'll even put it into the mod if you want. My only caveat is that I'd like to keep the changes subtle, to preserve the overall look of the Blades getup.



I'll have a look at this...about now, actually.

DarkRider has in fact PMed me. We'll work it out, but I think you can guess what my answer is.

Yay! I'm so glad. He told me he's using very few external resources so he must be quite impressed, as we all are

As for your testing, all totally valid reasons. I guess I assumed you were a bit further along than what you indicate. Nothing works better than your own QA! And your awesome mods show it

Thanks for the compliment on the blue sword. I was just goofing around and liked the result, hehe. I'll be sure to show you what I do with the katanas. Some of the new textures are showy but I can tone them down and preserve as much as I can, won't do anything too fancy. It's mostly for me to play around and learn.

@Dwip: Yup, very good reasons to do your own alpha testing. But once you're ready for beta, Hanaisse's suggestion is a good one.

@Hanaisse: Show me too!

Of note, Re: AFK_Blades_EQ, new version here. Fixed a couple outstanding texture issues and changed the file paths to something more logical. Works with previous versions, but unless your cloak is magic, better off swapping for a new version with the different paths.

Re: AFK_Weye testing, what's probably going to happen is this:

1. I finish alpha testing.

2. I hand off to Samson and probably Whir for alpha testing, since we've all been doing this for not quite 15 years now and I trust them.

3. Pass through voice acting, which will work however it is that works.

4. Pass off to TESA for beta testing.

5. Release.

Ive got three questions regarding the this update to AFK_Blades_EQ:
1> Does that mean I have to go back to Cloud Top Ruler to exchange my exisiting AFK_Blades_EQ gear for the new & improved models or will replacing the mod with the new version upgrade what I'm already wearing?
2> Is it just the cloaks?
3> Does new file paths mean different folders? (Am I going to have extra unused folders left over after I upgrade?)

How can you hand it off to Samson and Whir for alpha testing if that phase doesn't take place until you complete alpha testing?
(Sorry, as much as you're into grammar and such, I had to ask...)

2. It's just the cloaks. Armor/weapons are unaffected.
1. Should upgrade, although my magic cloak didn't - it wanted the old file paths for some reason. You can get around this by just keeping the old files around, I think.
3. You will in fact have extra folders. They are Data/meshes/clothes/AFK_Blades_EQ and Data/textures/clothes/AFK_Blades_EQ. You can delete those without issue. Leave Data/textures/menus/icons/clothes/AFK_Blades_EQ alone, however. That one didn't change.

Who says alpha testing has one stage?

More to the point, I tend to think of alpha testing as anything that happens before the mod is feature complete, and beta testing as what happens between the technically feature complete stage and public release. Right now, things are still getting added, and voice will happen after the second stage alpha test, so...

Also:

1. Remember, kids. Notes like "[SQ] Hello/Goodbye for leaving for ship" make sense at 3am. When you wake up the next morning, they make less sense. "[SQ] Haeming should have no rumors" and "[SQ] Ship teleport does not happen" are comprehensible enough, but you should probably take good notes for complex dialogue additions. Don't be like me.

2. Dear cave set: Please die in a fire. Painfully. I mean, seriously guys, how hard would it have been to stick in transition pieces to allow for multilevel pits? Sad rat is sad.

Your counting a little strangely.. or are you responding according to the Yoda School of Grammar Rules? Let's see if I followed well enough...
2> Ok, my cloak of choice is ascetic only anyway. 1> So once I install the new version of the mod I shouldn't need to do anything but restart the game and if for some reason my cloak has no perceptual changes but I wanted it to then I can go back to the armory chest in Cloud Top Ruler and try swapping it for one there. 3> I'm going to need a pen and paper to fully effect the version changeover...

I suppose that's reasonable enough, it's just that you'd said step 1 was for you to finish alpha testing, not for phase 1 of alpha testing to be completed.

"[SQ] Hello/Goodbye for leaving for ship" doesn't make sense considering you'd posted something here about Hello/Goodbye tags?

Couldn't tell you.. frankly, I'm still annoyed that I had to turn off collisions to escape a cave in oblivion last night, but I could not make the jump back up the hole I'd come down as an entrance and the exit at the other end was a door behind a solid wall on me.
But, "sad rat"???

1. It made a little more sense when I was structuring my reply a little differently. Oh well.

2. Yes, but there are like three different things that could refer to.

3. The goblins know...

We note that I also agree with Dwip's logic on alpha vs beta testing. There's a reason I've not yet packaged Brotherhood Renewed for submission to the beta testing people at TESA - I'm still adding the Bruma sanc material, and that will then need testing. Yes yes, I know I said it should have been done by now, but this blog overhaul is dragging because I'm starting to lose interest in finishing it off despite nearly being done with the major part.

@Dwip: Isn't that always how it goes? Well, okay, not knowing that it made perfect sense to me. We've goblins on this blog site?

@Samson: No, don't give up on it now, you're sooo close!

Great, now you tell me. Who wants to hear my tale of woe? I'll tell it anyway....

So I download the new version of Blades. I open Bash and uncheck the original version. I delete all the original files like a good girl. I start game, bypassing when it says some relics may no longer be available (duh), do a clean save, exit. I unpack the new version, move everything to where it's supposed to go, rebuilt patch and run BOSS (just because that's what I do). Click OBSE launcher to start game. Typical black full screen. I blink and I'm looking at my desktop again. Huh? Click OBSE launcher to start game. Typical black full screen. Nuh uh, back to desktop again. Uh oh. Try the old school way, click Oblivion desktop icon. Typical black full screen. See where this is going? You guessed it, back to desktop. Ok, don't panic. We'll just blame Dwip for killing my game with his stealth virus. Hmmm. Back to Bash. Uncheck Blades. No dice. Still no game

So I stare at Bash for awhile hoping my female stare of death will scare it into fixing whatever is wrong. It didn't, so into troubleshooting mode I go. First thing to do, look at load order. Ok, oblivion.esm is first, so that's fine. Rebuild patch six times. Nope, that wasn't it. Look at list of mods, just because. Wait, what's this? Ummmm, why is my load order telling me it's missing Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm and why is it tagged with 00 in the load order? I DON'T HAVE OSCURO'S OBLIVION OVERHAUL! NEVER HAD IT! I don't even know what the hell that is!!! This prompts another stare of death for five minutes.

Moment of brilliance. Let's look at rebuild patch options. Hrmm. Ok, who checked off this listing for Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO compatibility? NOT ME! But damn, it was that bugger that was the cause of my near nervous breakdown.

Gonna toss this out there for you guru's. How in the hell did my patch suddenly decide to check that off? And why, since I unticked lock times, are most of my mods now dated 12/8/2006? (some others are dated 1/7/2007). Even the patch was dated 12/8/2006. I haven't looked closely at my load order yet as I was hyperventilating but I can probably expect many things to be out of order. I'll deal with it tomorrow. It's bedtime.

(P.S.: What do the goblins know...?)

I can't help with the guru question, so I'll leave that one to Samson & Dwip appropriately. But I love the female stare of death solution.

As for the P.S., I suspect the answer is "something you don't" which is why I didn't bother asking that particular question.

If you're not using OOO, then delete that Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO patch. Not only will it avoid such disasters in the future, it will be one less file for the game engine to randomly look at for no reason.

The reason the patch file was automatically ticked is because that's what Bash does. You have to be watchful of it, because it will select patches you may not be expecting it to merge. Only seems to happen in the "merge patches" part of the rebuild menu. It might just be worth poking PacificMorrowind over. I got bit by that once too and it took a couple of hours before I even noticed it.

When you run BOSS, it rearranges load order by resetting the dates on all your files. The Oblivion game engine loads the mods you use in chronological order. So in order to set the right order, the dates need to be changed so they line up in sequence.

BTW, when you do this, use BOSS first, then rebuild the Bashed Patch. Not the other way around

Good God that was upsetting. It was just so...random. That file had been sitting there happily ignored for ages (I think KR was one of the first mods I installed). Looking back it seems I did install it because it came with the package, before I knew enough that well, you don't have to install everything. But it was never checked as an esp nor in the bashed patch. Are you saying this is a bug in Bash? And yes, when I opened Bash this morning there it was again - checked. Sneaky bastard. Die.

Ok, ok, I'll run BOSS first.

I still wanna know what the goblins know..

The goblins are aware of all rat traditions.

Dwip is just being cryptic on us, Hanaisse.

Those demented rabbits are a sneaky sort.

I guess I can't use the term "guru" anymore, it should now be the "Almighty Nerd God".

Here's one for you; Bash now goes unresponsive when I go to close it. When if finally does decide to close after numerous end tasks it says something about python.wx (or whatever the extension is) causing problems.
Anyone know what the latest python and Bash versions are and do you think an upgrade would help?

New retex's of the Blades Akaviri longsword are here. The original is on the far left. I had to force myself to stop recolouring or I could go on with different combos for days, lol. Comes with a nice shiny clean blade.

I use Bash 279 with Python 2.6.4. You shouldn't try using Python 3.x because it won't work.

Hanaisse got me tinkering. What do we think of these?

In hand, in world, and in Nifskope respectively. Regular (not present in first pic), Fine, Masterwork, Alloyed, Legendary. I think I need to tinker with the coloring on the Legendary stuff a bit more - too bright. I may bump the Alloyed's colors down a notch, too - it's supposed to be part ebony, so. It's a wonder what overlay layers and some tinkering with materials in Nifskope can accomplish.

Indeed they do seem to be.


I suspect the term "guru" still applies perfectly well though.

As for the blade retex, I actually like the original blade better, it looks more realistic of the two, but otherwise, I'll gladly take one with either of the blue or the black pommels. Those pommels look great!

Dwip got a post in while I was posting.. of the ones you're presenting, Dwip, I like the Alloyed the best, but if you could combine it with one of Hanaisse's grips.. (maybe the one that's blue and black), it'd be perfect.

Well, on a good note, I updated Bash to 279 and it now closes properly without crashing, although it took it's time about it.

@Samson: I see you've been over at TESA twice today and you still haven't greeted the newest member. Go look at the latest post in the Introductions thread

@Conner: Omg, the black and blue one was my fav too! Also the black and red one.

@Dwip: Hmmm.... not a fan of the Legendary red blade. It just looks covered in blood. I like the Fine (shiny) blade (looks like mine) or the Alloyed blackened blade. But yeah, IMO it's the pommel that looks ugly and boring, which is why that's what I coloured. Maybe we can combine efforts

The red/black and blue/black hilts are clearly the superior of Hanaisse's retexes, I must say, although they may be too solid-color for my tastes. Hard to tell without seeing them in game. I do agree with Conner that your blades are a little off, either by design or otherwise. Needs the rippling, IMHO. I'd be happy to tell you how I did my blades, if you want. Overall, good work though. Be interested to see how they combine with my blades.

Speaking of which, did some new ones just now. First pic is the previous set, second pic is a darkened version of the alloyed, then two candidates for the legendary, one of which is the texture from a daedric claymore overlayed onto the katana blade. Missing the normal/glowmaps, which might make it look awesome, or might not. If there's interest I'll try and see. Tell me what's cool. [edit] adding the normal map didn't really change much, so [/edit]

I'd be pretty interested to see how they combine too. She does a good hilt.

As for the new pics, the darkened alloy blade looks even better, nice decision. As for the candidates for the legendary blade, I think Hanaisse hit it, the red blade looks like it's infused with blood or something, much more so in the darkened version than the pinkish version which just looked rather odd, which isn't to say the darkened version looks bad, just sort of strange, maybe a bit mystic.. the marbled black/creme blade looks pretty wild (in a good way), sort of like Spanish Toledo Steel, or maybe meteorite metal of some sort. Either way, my vote between those two goes to the marbled look rather than the red one. Unless we're also talking about giving it extra special properties (i.e., magical abilities) to justify the deep red coloration (maybe soul stealing or some such would work with it?), the marbled look is closer to realistic while still clearly being "special".

I'm not sure what 'too solid-color' means, but you now have me planning to be in Photoshop all day to make them better. My blades, yes, I made them smooth on purpose while still having a gradient shadowy type effect but ok, I'll concede they may be too smooth.

As for the new blades, I do like the daedric one, although maybe a tad too much cream colour. Try adding some slight red into it. The red one, much better than the first one, but I would add more black streaks into it to tone it down a smidge. The darkened version of the alloyed looks too much like it was originally, a dull rusty blade. Now that the "first set" pic is a little closer, I'm also liking the yellowish blade.

I believe that by "too solid-color" he means that, even with the gradient, it looks too much like it's just a white drawn blade rather than a picture of a smooth silvery blade. The end result though, of having you in Photoshop all day to make them better can only be a positive thing for your blades since it's quite clear that you've got the talent to make them really nice. Provided you're not spending all day in photoshop trying to make them better so that you can quite grinding your teeth in anger/frustration about our reactions to the ones you first presented because you've misunderstood our honest critiques for negative criticism or lack of appreciation.

Interesting. I agree that adding some more black streaks to tone down the red blade would help and that the marbled blade could stand a hair less cream, but I still thought the darkened alloy blade looked significantly better than the original and neither of those suggested rust nor dull to me. The yellowish blade still strikes me as not looking metallic enough, but looks best in the "in world" image. (I see no difference between the "first set" picture between the two posts though.)

Conner - A good summation of the issue with the blades, but I was actually talking about the hilt. This may be an artifact of viewing them as low-res Nifskope models, but to my eye they appear to have lost a good deal of the detail present in the originals. You can tell that there's detail and color variation in the original hilt, and I just can't tell if it's there or not with Hanaisse's hilts.

Also, this:



And to the both of you, what do you think about these? First blade is the darkened alloyed blade, second is an even darker version of same, third is the black and cream, and the other two are crazy variations on it I did while playing around with red layers. I'm skipping the red and black blade for the moment. Last blade also has the betaish normal map I cobbled together from the katana + daedric claymore maps, which may or may not be awesome. I'm kind of leaning towards the last blade as-is, but opinions.

On another note, the following phenomenon. I know this is a bug with a fix, but I don't know offhand what the fix is. Anybody?

Ah, I misunderstood then, all cleared up now though.

I think your darkened alloy could work as a nice substitution for the previously yellow blade and the even darker alloyed would work nicely for the alloyed, but I suspect that Hanaisse will see the even darker alloyed looks even closer to the original "dull rusty" version, as she called it. I still like the creme marbled blade, but the two reds definitely look like nice compromises for the previously overly reddish blades to me. I do like the "betaish" texture you've come up with, but I think it'd look better with the deeper red than the nearly pink marbling.

Regarding to the ghost mountain image, I don't know enough about Oblivion, especially graphics issues, to give you much help so I'll see if Samson knows instead of guessing, but I do think it's a pretty cool bit of imagery. My DM hat is itching to come up with a justification for the effect rather than a solution to the bug that caused it.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention re: the yellow blade, it actually looks pretty good in-game, sort of like if you took elven armor and made a sword out of it. I'm pretty sold on it and the brighter white one as my Fine and Masterwork blades, but my choices for the Alloyed and Legendary blades are still up in the air. I can try the beta normal map with the redder texture, certainly, and may also try a new version of the darker alloyed blade with a blacker texture instead of just darkening the lighting effects in Nifskope.

[edit] Yeah, I just can't leave well enough alone. Blacker texture did all of jack, and I don't think I can fix that without taking this to insane levels, so. The red mottled blade, OTOH... [/edit]

Oh no, no, not grinding my teeth It was more "taking up the challenge of doing better" that made me say that. Which didn't quite work out anyway, as it was such a beautiful day out and the last day of my daughter's March break, so we went shopping instead!

Dwip is way ahead of me on the new creations. I only ended up with one that I dare show. Something completely different! The others were just turning out only slightly different than the first ones I did, so no point going there again.

On to Dwip's newest pics (starting to get confusing lol): Conner is right, the darker alloyed versions are still too dull and boring for me. Loving the 3rd and 4th ones. The last one would be awesomeness if it wasn't pink since you can see the ridges very nicely. Make it darker red and you've sold me.

As for the phenomenon, GOOD GOD MAN! Global warming has dislodged an iceberg and it's about to destroy all of Tamriel!! RUN!

Ok, so no, I have no clue what it is

Edit: Sure Dwip, go ahead and edit your last post while I'm posting. I see how you are.
Liking the middle one, but still needs to be darker red.

Today WAS pretty amazing, at least in CT. Spent my day getting lost around town and sighing at our depressing lack of good supermarkets. The only good one is closing, and our other three are terrible.

Is the middle blade in that last pic about what you were after? Red, ridges, etc.

I love the blade pattern on your new one. Very cool, although may need to be normal mapped to get the best from it. Hard to tell in that shot. I see what you're doing with the grip, too, and I like it, but I think it needs...something. I think it needs to be darker brown, with blacker gaps between the wrappings? Does that make sense?

Blasted alloyed blade just is NOT turning out like I want it to. Will need to think on that.

Dwip: I agree with Hanaisse the middle one looks like a winner and shading the red aspects a little further wouldn't hurt it at all.

Hanaisse: I'm glad to hear that, Hanaisse, I was a little concerned that you might've taken the feedback the wrong way, but I'm quite pleased to learn that the concern was unfounded.

I don't know about the finger nails and bangles, but the new blade image does look really good, especially the blade texturing itself. Very nicely done, Hanaisse!

Dwip/Hanaisse: Today was really nice here too, we took the opportunity to pen up the goat to get that section of grass "mowed" while we burnt our weekly trash and took a little on-property hike over to our bigger pond to enjoy nature under the clear sky and continue the old debate about how we should stock that pond so we can take days like today to go fishing.

Sort of skimming here...

The left blade looks best to me. Blades should be smooth, not bumpy.

The invisible rock thing is a bug that should have been addressed by now in one version of the UOP or another. If not, details are needed to track down the specifics.

You guys talking about nice weather can all go die. Summer is arriving early for us here in CA :/

Congrats, people. We've apparently beat out the tank post for most comments.

Re: Rock, it's the CEntranceMtnSnowLG02 rock outside Kingscrest Cavern. 0018B330.

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58  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
59  ATakesAll.esp
5A  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
5B  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5C  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5D  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5E  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
5F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
60  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]
61  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
62  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
63  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
64  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.8]
65  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: AFK_Weye.esp
66  AFK_Frostcrag.esp
67  AFK_Tweaks.esp
68  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]
69  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.0]
6A  AFK_Blades_EQ.esp  [Version 1.2]

I thought I had a packed up version of QTP3 installed via Bash, too, but apparently I did it the old fashioned way via just dumping it all over everything else. Thought I had moved beyond that. Alas.

Another 10 and we'll have beaten out the backstabbers thread too

This issue isn't one of load order. It's a mesh issue with one of the replacers you used, probably QTP3-R. I forget exactly how Kivan fixed this for the rock over Lake Arrius Caverns, but he did. Looks like the same issue here, something to do with alpha channels. The rock looks fine for me btw:

And while we wait for the UOP-QTP3 patch to install, a few more. Blacker alloyed, plus a couple things I was toying with that may or may not be good.

Oh dear, someone's grumpy

For the record, I had to jump into the game and check my Kingscrest Cavern, and whew, it's fine, no giant icebergs heading for Cheydinhal.

Dwip, honey, I LOVE all of those three new ones. Wow. But then again, while awesome blades, they aren't very Blade lore-like, are they? Although, you could make a whole new set of swords just out of your 'tinkering', Add them to the Imperial Dragon armory and call them Dragon Swords

And for the infinite number of posts in this thread, I bet half aren't even related to the original topic

Summer may be coming early to Southern California, but it sure hasn't come fast enough yet to this part of Texas, but at least spring is shaping up to be nicer than winter was. On the other hand, we're expecting rain again tomorrow here. :sigh:

I'll second that, I really like what you've done with these three, and I don't see any reason you couldn't incorporate them as a whole new set instead of just another look for blades the game already has. In fact, you could make the red one be fire magicked and the blue one ice magicked and .. well, you get the idea, no?

Wait, you mean they weren't all directly related to the original topic of Oblivion humor? Especially the tech support styled comments?
This very comment is only the 165th one, surely we can spread this topic a good deal further if we want to.

I hear ya. I can certainly work on a darker wood version. I was also thinking of doing a lighter wood version. Funny thing, the blade changes (for the better I must say) every time I save it in Photoshop. But yeah, I should create a new normal, that one uses a copy of the previous blades. Stay tuned!


I plan to, lol


Yep, we are too


I'm so jealous.

And you guys with your Battlehorn Castle DLC's. I'm so jealous.

Sounds like a good plan to me. At this rate, between the two of you, by the time we're all happy with the blades you two are toying with, we'll have a whole new set of blades that look better than anything otherwise currently in the game!

I'll keep contributing my portion towards total comment count for as long as you do.

We got it, 0.8 inches of rain so far today, right now the rain has stopped but the last week's worth of drying out is undone. We're having wind gusts of up to 32 mph so far now that the rain's stopped though. Overall, after yesterday's nice weather, today's a really rough day out there. I'm very glad to just be dealing with the mud though, weather like this would really suck if I lived on a houseboat instead of a farm.

I've said before that you're welcome to come visit.

Battlehorn Castle DLC?

Yes, Battlehorn Castle. The only DLC Bethesda released entirely by itself, and so far as I know has never been included in any of the GOTY or Steam packages. It was free the first week it was out. I wasn't one of those lucky people and had to pay the $2 for it. It can't be downloaded legally anymore, which is sad, since it's easily the best DLC they made outside of SI and KOTN.

Oh man, I must've missed out on it entirely.

Btw, regarding the weather, I see from your weather badge on the site that it's 84 degrees there.. it's 38 here today. I miss yesterday already, or, as Paul MCcartney put it so beautifully in 1965, "now I long for yesterday".

Yeah, sadly missed out on it. Oh well, if I can't find it legally I'll have to find alternate methods...

Blah, what's with the weather? Yesterday it was 18C here (you do the math), and today the high was 4C !! And it snowed! Ok, wet snow, but it's still snow.

Here's a roflol moment I thought I'd share. I was playing with showracemenu tweaking my chars facial features and when I come out my poor Nord is half DarkElf and partial Orc with a green beard. Wtf??? No, I haven't been playing with any body mods lately. It worked the next time I did it after closing and reopening the game.

Still working on some new swords, might post them later or tomorrow.

This, I think. Need to think on that a bit. Although to be sure, the two weren't really meant to be anything more than tinkering. For the moment, I need to seriously finish AFK_Weye testing.

Battlehorn's great. If I wasn't in Weye I'd be there or Frostcrag. Of course I modded Frostcrag, too, so.

And, uh, yeah, that's a unique enough body FUBAR there.

@Hanaisse:
You'll have to let me in on your alternative method when you find it.

It's because Samson grumbled about us having a nice day.

Alrighty then! Love the green extended wrench at his side there too..

I'll certainly enjoy seeing what you come up with this time.

@Dwip:
When you get done testing AFK_Weye, let us know what your think came up with.

If you should decide to pursue alternative methods, be extra careful if your travels take you to Pirate Bay. You can't always trust what you find there.

This is now officially the longest comment chain on the site.

Ah, I know that I'm not looking for a DLC badly enough to want to sail my way into pirate controlled waters too deeply, so hopefully she's got something less risky in mind.. and TorrentVille qualifies as Pirate Bay to me.

Woohoo! We broke the record.

Wow, we almost lost this topic in the Recent Comments box. I had to rescue it

Here's my latest batch of Akaviri blades. Two wooden, two a snakeskin texture which look more like some kind of woven burlap but still cool. Gonna put this aside for now since Dwip is otherwise occupied. But hey guys, let's not forget all this work!

Pirate Bay, lol. Yeah I know to be careful, no worries. (I still haven't gone looking)

On another tech support note: I'm going to start the modeling class over at TESA. I know Blender is Dwip's favourite app ever so he'll probably laugh at me as I struggle through it. The only version I can find is 2.49b which was built with python 26. I have python 25. Will upgrading python hurt anything else like OBSE?

Oh, and Conner, lol, the "green extended wrench" is Samson's starmetal ore longsword from Feldscar. You just insulted all his hard work!

Stupid healthcare, taking away our rights to a front page Oblivion topic! Kill the bill thread!

The grey snakeskin is awesome and goes great with the blade. The other snakeskin is semi-awesome but needs...something. Maybe some more muted coloring? I'm not quite sure.

My condolences about the Blender thing. As I've said many times before, it makes Satan look cute and cuddly by comparison.

The Python 2.5->2.6 migration broke Bash pretty good for me, but it is fixable. I forget the exact details off top of my head, but I know the process is detailed somewhere. Samson may remember this better than I. So far as I know, Bash was the only (temporary) casualty, however.

Re Python 2.6:



Just make sure you're using Bash 279 because most of the issues from Python 2.6 were because 278 and lower weren't properly setup for it.

Sorry about the recent comments box, this is why I advocate using RSS to track which comments are still new.

I like the new batch, Hanaisse. I am not overly fond of yellow, but it still looks realistic enough. Dwip may have a point about the last snakeskin, but I think it looks pretty good to me.

No offense to Samson's work was intended, and I'm sure that his Feldscar mod is awesome, but the green sword itself looks wrench like to me.

Killing the bil sounds great to me.

Blame Bethesda. Dwemer swords look like wrenches.

Ah, I see, it was Bash with the problem. I don't know why I thought it was Obse

But, that's good and I think I have everything I need to get started.

Bash 279 (upgraded just a few days ago - see 500 posts upward, lol)
Python 2.6.5
Blender 2.49b
Blender Nifscripts 2.5.3
NifSkope 1.0.21
PyFFI 2.1.4 (no clue what this is but it was recommended on the Blender wiki page)

I guess and I are gonna get very close very soon

Perfect for when you're in the middle of a battle and the bolt on your centurion sphere breaks. Just whip out your sword, give it a few good cranks, and it's as good as new.

Forgot to say that while I love the snakeskins, I'm just not a big fan of the wood hilts. They just look really off to me for some reason. OTOH, leather may be a good idea.

Something I also really want to try is recoloring the gems, either by overlaying colors on the existing gem, or by cutting out pieces from the gem textures and pasting them in. The second way probably looks awesome, but you'd need to set up for a modified normal map (maybe) and glow map (definitely).

If I can figure out a good way to do it, I'd really like to put a chiseled-in Akatosh dragon on the lower part of the blade near the hilt, sort of like a forge mark. Since GIMP's tools for doing so suck, I haven't worked out how to go about it just yet. Right now I'm hip deep in figuring out textures for Battletech maps in any case.



I knew there was something I needed to do. Bash 275 for life?

I'll be perfectly happy to blame Bethesda for it. I didn't even know it was a piece of your work to begin with, I was strictly going off the image she'd posted.

Nice retort, Dwip.

Yes, leather would be much nicer than wood for the hilts. The wooden handles Hanaisse came up with aren't bad for wood (maybe more detail in the grain pattern would help?), but leather wrapped handles were much more common than outright wooden handles because they'd provide a better grip. Metal was used far more commonly because, while it was more expensive by far, it was sturdier and provided necissary balance.

Ooo, putting in a chiseled dragon forge-mark would be a beautiful addition, or a perfect finishing touch, depending on how you want to look at it.

It occurs to me that what's killing me about the wood is that I don't think I've ever seen it done in bands like that. Every thing I've ever seen, the wood is one continuous piece. And of course in katanas they're generally cloth or ray-skin wrapped, so.

That said, another thing I'm wrestling with is that part of what makes Blades katanas Blades katanas to me is the hilt styling with teal and gold, and some of what we're coming up with, while awesome, doesn't scream Blades to me.

I think what I'm moving towards is modifications on the stock blade/hilt, maybe with a variety of different wrapping and gem styles, and blade patterns for at least a couple of the swords, with some kind of not-too-heavy color patterns for the alloyed blade. And that Akatosh mark, if I can pull it off.

Ok, everything installed, Bash still works, no major crashes or hissy fits.... looks like we're good to go.

Thanks for the feedback on the swords. I know the wooden ones suck cause it's a sucky pattern in PS and the only altering on it I could do was increase or decrease the size. So, meh, lol. In my travels from page to page on modeling modding (?) I came across a ton of new texture files, with lots of better wood examples, but like I said, putting it on the back burner for now! Unless I get bored again lol.

Yep, love the idea of the dragon inlay. Just need a good (and tiny) dragon pic to start with. If you have one Dwip, throw it my way and I'll see what PS can do with it.

And I thought we were blaming France for everything?

Blerg, you always write while I'm writing Dwip! I agree with you on the direction. I'm thinking a nice snakeskin or leather wrapped grip (black, dark brown or dark grey) with the gold/teal accents intact. Colouring the gems is not a problem either, that's what I did on my originals. Anyway, like I said, if you find a dragon, share it.

Yes, Dwip, unless the wood in question is bamboo, it's usually done with the grain in the same direction as the blade rather than "banded". Otherwise, I've seen Katanas, in real life, in all sorts of color variations, in fact I've got several in my real life sword collection with some pretty interesting coloration on the hilts. I do agree that gemmed pommels and different wrappings (I've only encountered an intentionally unwrapped wooden hilt once in years of sword collecting) and variety in blade patterning and the akatosh mark are all the right way to go with this one.

I'd forgotten about France.. and Samson offered up Bethesda as a scape goat.

Sword collections make me jealous. The only thing I have is a rabbit item collection.

The dragon I used for the cloaks is here, in Photoshop .psd and GIMP .xcf flavors.

I think we're in agreement, and I'd like to see all three hilts.

All three as in snakeskin, leather and wood? With different gem colourings? (I'm lost, lol)

Sorry, I'd got snap a picture of my swords to show you, but most of them are boxed up at the moment. Displaying my collection just wasn't the highest of move-in priorities for us while trying to establish our farm.

Since I don't have photoshop, I'll wait and see what they look like in use, I suppose and just trust your graphical taste in the meantime.

I think so too.

This.

Right, it's at least more informative than "Authorization mismatch" but I only JUST NOW clicked the damn reply button.

Yeah, I've had a bunch of those. Annoying as hell.

Nice.. so you're saying they've got their security tokens set to time out after something really useful like 10 seconds?
On the other hand, it is an informative error message.

I couldn't move on to learning Blender without giving the dragon blade at least one try. Ok so I've been experimenting all day. Just can't seem to get it quite right. I'm not sure this dragon image is gonna cut it, but I'll keep trying.

This is what I've come out with so far. Ignore the unmatched colours in the hilt. I used the wrong template. All the brown should be black. I also recoloured the teal and highlighted slightly.

And, just because it's supercool, check this out.

(Thanks for trying to bring this one back to the recent comments list.. The_Fury had it wiped off by the time I'd come back again already.)

Hmm, I don't know about the mismatched colors I'm supposed to be ignoring, but it looks pretty good in the first picture (a little blurry, but good), but in the in-game shot it's all stretched wrong... though, the rest of the sword looks good in that one too, especially the light/shadowing effect you've got going on.

Nice shot, was that somehow spell induced or did you just happen to catch the screen shot at the right moment?

Ok, first, Samson, the weathersticker link thingy is lagging the site. Did you remove the youtube videos at the beginning of this thread? (I just see large blank spaces), and some of the emoticons aren't showing up (like mad). Might all be related to the lagging maybe.

Alright, here's a new version that I like a little better, but it's still not quite right. It's too big and stretched but at least this time you can see the embossing. How do we like the teal dragon?

Conner, that lightning was a fluke, lol. Seriously, I stood in a thunderstorm and took 120 (!) screenshots until I got one But I love it. That's the Storms & Sounds mod btw.

And no worries, I'm not concerned if this drops off the recent comments box I know the healthcare bill is a serious topic for you guys so by all means have at it. Also wanted to say please don't take my lack of participation as not caring, I just don't do politics in public.

Better Benirus Manor user? Storms and Sound scares the crap out of me, sometimes. Still not used to the lightning sounds.

The YouTube thing is related to the lagging. They're still there. Happens sometimes if YouTube goes wonky.

New version: I'd prefer the hilt to be a darker teal, in keeping with the original/the darkness of the gold. Maybe not super dark, just not quite so turquoiseish. I think the dragon sort of works, but think it would be better slightly smaller, further down the blade, and either back in black or in silver like the blade, just inset into it. The idea being a cool accent, not the focal point of the sword, which should be a cool pattern in the metal like the other version.

(kill the bill thread!)

The weather sticker thing isn't the cause of the problem. I'd wager this thread is probably just getting to big period and is lagging of its own accord.

I haven't said much about the blades yet, but I think they're all pretty cool and I have been looking at them.

Don't worry about not being a part of the healthcare debate, unlike our government, the Empire does not force its minions to do things they don't want to do

I'm with Dwip, the dragon's just a little too turquoise, but still sort of stretched.

It's a great shot, but 120 screen shots to get it?

Understood, some folks prefer to keep their politics private.

No, no, no, don't kill the bill thread, just kill the bill.

See, Samson's not a tyrant.

No, he saves that for our Dread Overlord, the Negative Magnetic Space Wedgy.

Besides, he can't be a tyrant to us. We're all part of him. He can't be a tyrant to himself. Can he?

...oldies but goodies, those.

Re: 120 screenshots - Storms and Sound is kind of that cool.

Omg Dwip, you were so right. Blender is the work of the devil. Either that or I'm retarded since I can't even get it set up properly never mind actually doing anything in it.

Also, while I'm at it, here's some more randomness. Why do people release unfinished mods? It seems more and more the only shit I see on Nexus is some newbie tossing up a file and a description like "Well, there's buildings, but there's no interiors, and there's no NPC's or anything". WTF did you release it then???? What's the point???

Ok, thanks [/rant]

We're all part of him, eh?
Do I even want to know about the Dread Overlord?


Um, yeah...

Blender must be the work of the then, because I think you've quite adequately proven to us already that you're not retarded.

It's an Alsherok thing. I'll let Samson explain. He needs to get into this thread more anyway.



You're not retarded, so...

It just worked for me, so I'm not sure I can help with that, but I did go over some really basic navigation here, and I linked a bunch of video tuts somewhere. One thing you definitely shouldn't do is try to use the Blender Noob to Pro tutorial. It's way out of date now and confuses you more than it actually helps.



Yeah, I really hate that. I'll spare you guys my quality rant again, but I figure it has to do with some combination of instant gratification* of getting your file up on Nexus and the fact that doing a whole mod of any scope for Oblivion is actually pretty hard. You have to really want it, and a lot of people think they do, but they really don't.

* - Well, actually my feeling upon posting AFK_Weye to Nexus was more like "Oh shit what have I gotten myself into?" but, you know. It got gratifying later.

Ok, Samson, you've been called out and it's fast approaching High Noon.


Hmm, didn't catch this one when I last posted. For what it's worth, I know the feeling too, Hanaisse. I've even seen it happen in MUD submissions too. Go figure, eh?

From all I've heard, Dwip, you've got reason to be gratified.

Conner, you have no idea. You have simply not yet awakened to the truth and mystery of The Negative Magnetic Space Wedgy and his terrible awesome power.

Only once you have accepted his terrible wrath will you come to the understanding that I am you, you are me, and everyone here is just a manifestation of that. Dwip and Whir long ago accepted this, one day you will too. Think on that one while reading the political threads

@Hanaisse: Nope, not retarded, Blender is in fact a tool of Satan. I know only just enough to manage import/export of nifs to fix their collision type. The UI on that thing is like some kind of mutant from 1990. People have tried to tell me how to do other stuff, I've read tutorials about it, but it's all just a big fat mess.

Also, yes, I agree on the incomplete mods thing. I've seen plenty over time that sounded awesome only to end up with a half-baked unfinished work. I can get that with some of the material in Oblivion.esm itself

Alrighty then, Samson!
You know, there's a Beatles song that would go well with that too:

Sorry, guess I've got the Beatles on my mind tonight.
I'm not saying anything at all about the meaning of the song either, just that the line in the song goes well with what you're saying.

Wow, lol. I didn't even realize there were this many comments since my last post, that's how fast it gets pushed off the recent comments list

[extreme rant]
Thanks for all the support on my non-retardedness. You'll be happy to know I have conquered the evil that is Blender and kicked ass while doing it. Deep from the bowels of hell this is the spoils of my victory. Yeah, look closely (bad pic). It's a transparent ruler. Woo. This is what I struggled for two days to make. It took reading two different tutorials and numerous forum threads of other people's war stories to get to that point. Throughout my journey I've come to the following conclusions;

* There's way too many buttons, baubles and options to ever learn this is two days
* It's uglier than an orc on skooma
* Nobody bothers to (or maybe they don't understand either and can't) explain why you do certain things, they just tell you to do it. I mean, come on, why am I adding a texture thingy in Blender when that's what NifSkope is for? I don't get it.
* You need an advanced degree in Calculus to do anything productive in modeling. I kid you not. Here's an example from the tutorial I was using. "You should get a value of 490.5. Since the ruler is supposed to be 200 Oblivion units long, radius should be 100. - 100/490.5 = 0.2039" Ummm... yeah, ok. I dunno, maybe you Nerd Gods get it.

This should sum things up nicely;

So why did I put myself through hell for this? Well, I'll tell ya, there's a pretty little forum reward icon waiting for me at the end over at TESA. Yes, as shallow as that sounds that's all I want then I'll probably never open Blender again.
[/extreme rant]

Next topic:


Noooooooooooooo! I will not go quietly! I'll tell Sithis on you.


This made me lol.
And damn you, Conner, I'll be singing that all day in my head now.

Next topic:


Seriously? 4 years? Has anyone heard of this?

Wait, I found more at their website.


Well, blah. I'm sorry but how does that make this an Oblivion mod?

Next topic: Oh, I think I'm done. Heh.

Next topic: Nope, not done. Good thing I previewed. Samson, looks like something is wrong with the color code? I tried adding some color just to highlight certain things and this is what I ended up with.

Yeah, we've been trying to keep this one on the recent comments list for you, but it's far from easy to do so.


No problem, we knew you weren't.
Congratulations on your victory.
It's a nice transparent ruler though..
Well, I'd have to assume, since I don't have the rest of the documentation to refer to, that the formula explanation you've given us is explaining the scale being used, but I would assume that using blender doesn't require that degree of precision for most graphics when you're not trying to make a ruler.. of course, having never touched it before and having no intent of touching it in the future, I couldn't honestly be certain about that.
There are strange things we'll do for trophies.. and some things that aren't worth trophies. To me, attempting to play in the realm of graphics would be beyond the value of a trophy for me, but I don't do graphics to begin with either.


Sithis enters into this schema too?


Goo goo g' joob to you too, baby.
Or, maybe even more appropriate as an answer would be to say "Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on, brah!"
(Help any? Now you've got a different song to contemplate all day instead....)


Um, actually, from that description, I'd consider it to be either a derivative of Oblivion or a completely separate work based on the Oblivion Game Engine which was likely inspired by Oblivion, but certainly not an Oblivion mod. Perhaps it was linked/discussed at Planet Elder as a form of related-game advertisement?


Indeed, looks like the parser changes aren't liking royal blue at all.. hadn't the color list in the drop down box in the editor been colorized previously, or am I just thinking of the editor for QSFP?

Samson, we knew it might still have some kinks, looks like we found one.

Always.


I hate you.


Actually it's worse than that. If you look near the top you'll see I only wanted to color the [extreme rant] part, not the entire paragraph ... and there is an /color after it that it's ignoring. But yeah, also ignored the change to blue color and then it randomly decided to change back to default after awhile. Weird.

At least it's a minor quirk I know how to fix. Damn regex and greedy vs non-greedy.

Nehrim is considered an Oblivion mod because it uses the Oblivion engine to do its work. It's also the only total conversion that's made it as far as they have, and therefore likely to be the only one ever completed assuming they finish it. 4 years also sounds about right, assuming they started on it the day the original game was released. TC's take quite a long time to produce.

I just find it odd they call it related to Oblivion when it has nothing to do with it, concept wise, especially lore-wise, except the engine. I don't understand how one would even play it. Is it something that will be installed like every other mod? Then how do you launch it? Meh, ignore me, I'm just feeling rantish today I guess.

Maybe Nehrim is TES5, under our nose the whole time.

Anyway, tech support time. Two questions;

1. I installed the newly release All Natural - SIPalace. Boss doesn't recognize it yet. Does it matter where this goes in the load order?

2. Kind of hard to explain but recently I've noticed in my game that when I casually walk/run by someone and they call out a generic greeting it's displaying as subtitles when it didn't do this before. Before what you ask? That's the problem, I don't know what changed. And it's annoying me. I could be across town and the subtitle is still displaying.
My ini file says this;

bGeneralSubtitles=0
bDialogueSubtitles=1

0 is disabled and 1 is enabled, right? So it looks right to me.
Anyone have any thoughts?

Edit: I should add the NPC's aren't talking, it's just the subtitles coming up and their lips moving. Also, I just double checked, sometimes even engaging a conversation the NPC's aren't talking.

It's okay, I understand.. though I can give you a song for that one too, three or four, in fact..




I saw that, Hanaisse, but I was throwing in my two cents to get Samson's attention because I expected his response to be something pretty close to what it was. All fixed yet Samson? Maybe I should do a color test so we'll know when it is...

Hmm, looking back through the older posts in this thread, it seems that all the previous colorized bits still are and still look right so either Samson already fixed it or my little color test may not really be able to demonstrate anything anyway.




I'd have to agree, it does seem odd to consider it an Oblivion mod if the only aspect of Oblivion it's keeping is the game engine. That's like calling certain other commercial games out there Unreal mods because they're using the Unreal game engine.. maybe if it's basically that you launch Oblivion and uncheck the oblivion.esm itself (along with any other mods you're using) and instead check the Nehrim.esm file, it's still a mod because it's still needing oblivion itself to run?



How bizarre.. could this be a side effect of some sort of bug in that speech mod that Samson and Dwip debated about back in the other Oblivion thread awhile back?

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Edit: On a totally off-topic unrelated note, for what it's worth, Samson, Opera seems to show that this thread has about twice the data than the Stand Before The American People thread does, so it's not just the amount of data involved and now I'm pretty well baffled by it.

The color thing is fixed. It had to do with splitting the tag across multiple lines because the regex was greedy instead of non-greedy. Yes, that's how regex refers to it.

Nehrim uses assets provided by Bethesda, so it qualifies as an Oblivion mod in that respect. Lore-wise, no, it has nothing to do with it. Hence why this type of mod is called a "total conversion". It means literally that you've converted the assets into a completely different game.

Well, if that's what Opera says, I don't get it, so I'll have to have faith that his evilness The Negative Magnetic Space Wedgy knows what he's doing.

Wow, you're quick with the responses tonight, and I was trying to get caught up real quickly so I could call it an early night...

Cool, gratz on it being an easy fix.

Oh, I see, so it's actually using items and such from the original game as well as the game engine itself. That makes much more sense to call it a mod then. Though, honestly derivative almost still sounds more appropriate to me, but I'm used to the mud community's use of these terms too.

Oddly enough, Opera's calling the other thread roughly 750k and this one roughly 1.6m, perhaps your NMSW does have an influence in this one.

Re: Subtitles, I think AFK_Weye turns them on in limited circumstances, but definitely isn't causing any kind of issues with people not speaking right in conversations.

I'm so bloody close on AFK_Weye alpha testing I can taste it, barring some crazy issues involving timers I haven't quite figured out. Also the Lock function, which I really want to stab in the face a lot.

Also, if you're going to teleport your dudes to a ship, it helps if you load the ship first. Just saying here.

@Hanaisse: Are you by chance using Elys' Silent Voice? If so, that sometimes causes subtitles to appear when they shouldn't but in general is pretty well behaved. I don't think anyone has ever looked into why that happens because it's not enough of an issue to bother.

BOSS doesn't recognize the SI-Palace plugin because that's not planned to be an official plugin. It will eventually get folded into the main All Natural - SI.esp file. It's part of ongoing beta work for AN.

Yeah, I use Elys' Silent Voice mod. That was going to be my next troubleshooting step. I'll uninstall it then reinstall it and maybe also there could be some load order conflict with it? I'll doublecheck the readme and stuff.

Ok, so I take that as load order for SI-Palace won't matter atm.


Sage advise. Duly noted. Glad to hear you're getting close to finishing testing.

Do we want to know?

As Hanaisse says, it sounds like sage advice if ever we heard any.
I'm also glad to hear you're getting close to finishing it as well.


Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of! I just couldn't remember it's name and didn't want to go searching for it.


That's what it sounded like he was saying to me too.

Now I'm stuck on my quest that has umpteen trillion different endings, and I haven't figured out what they all are yet. That's good times.

Re: Ship - In that particular case, I had a bunch of guys walking around on the deck of a ship that wasn't actually there. Trippy.

Re: Lock - Where do I even start, but the basic problem with the Lock function is that you can't use it to lock doors that are owned by somebody. Which might be ok, except for the fact that the SetOwnership function won't let you set ownership to NONE. So if you want tresspassing behavior and the ability to lock via script, too damn bad.

Sounds like fun times for everyone, bet it'll be really interesting getting bug reports about the quest endings that you hadn't discovered then.

Hmm, good thing the NPCs don't know anything about physics? Kinda like the bumble bee...

Wait, a door can't be set to no owner, but can't be locked if it has an owner? So how do they do the doors to houses in the main city where you're given main storyline quests to go talk to so-n-so or go break into so-n-so's house but their door is only unlocked during the day when they're home.. same thing for shops? (Those are also instances where you'll get flagged trespassing if you break in while they're locked.) Can you borrow whatever methodology the main story uses for those cases?

Has to do with flags on AI packs. Now that you mention it, I MAY be able to. Unsure. Not sure how much time I want to spend on this one door, either.

Is it time for my cave pieces rant yet?

Are there more quest endings than the number of decimal places in Pi?
Yeah, good times.


I sure hope you have a screen shot of it?

Re; the door locks. Conner's suggestion sounds fairly sane to me. I mean, ok, you have a door, owned by an NPC, so yeah, set the script for the NPC to lock it? Not being entirely sure what kind of behaviour you want here, can't be much more help.

And Conner, fine, I'll give you credit for Elys' Silent voice


Oh yes please, you may have the floor

See Feldscar for examples of how frustrating locking doors in an owned cell can be. It wasn't pretty. It contributed heavily to why the mod was delayed.

So yeah. Cave pieces. I mean, seriously Bethesda, WTF is wrong with you? Quadruplicate (holy cow, that's actually a word?!?) each shape of cave piece and make it so you can't rotate any of them off of the Z axis without ending up with texture lines? Would it have killed you people to do this the right way, make one of each shape piece and get rid of the texture lines? I mean, someone obviously thought about that before making the Ayleid ruin pieces since they haven't been quadruplicated. I mean, sure, it works, but why make people spend ridiculous amounts of time dragging pieces out only to find it points the wrong way and they have to replace it? Let alone correcting someone else's mistakes because they didn't realize it. TES V better have a nice logical set of cave pieces that can be freely rotated. And also with more variety, because, please, this is pathetic.

It does sound like a fun picture, at least as much as the ghost mountain or the lightning strike were.


Exactly, worst case scenario, give the NPCs themselves the scripting to lock/unlock the door(s) in question as appropriae if that's what it takes. I know there's a console command to do it, it can't be that hard.


Thank you. More importantly, did that turn out to be the culpret?


I'll second this.

Good rant, Samson. Not one of your best, but good. I 100% agree. I *thought* I had heard about someone redoing the entire cave set to be, well, normal, but I can't find anything about it now.

So, no, apparently Elys' Silent Voice isn't the culprit of my woes. I uninstalled it and walked around IC Market district. Half the NPC's just stare at me silently, lips not moving, even if I engage them in convo, the other half only talk if I engage them. No friendly shout out greetings. Nothing. I'm really stumped. Vanilla NPC's that I know talk don't even go thru the motions of talking let alone actually talk.

I suppose I'll have to start disabling mods one by one.

Edit: WOOT! I did it! My silent Oblivion is full of life again!
Apparently it was from some crappy pose mod compilation that I'd already uninstalled but one of the esp's were still active in Bash. Killed that sucker dead. Lesson learned. Don't use mods that aren't english, totally screws things up.

Oops, here I was yielding the floor to Samson as he was typing.. go figure.

I'm with Hanaisse, it's a good rant with what sounds like a very reasonable foundation, but it's definitely not one your best rants.

Ah, see, I'd have never guessed that was what would've done it, but your learned lesson has been noted for my future reference.

As I was trying to say before the site went down...

Don't get me started on cave pieces. I don't want to repeat that rant. At least Fallout 3 did it better. And Morrowind. And Daggerfall.

A note. Let us suppose that you have a quest. And in the quest script for this quest, you have code like so:

if GetStage AFKPropertyRightsQuest == 10
  if Doonce3 != 1
    set Doonce3 to 1
    set AFKPropertyRightsQuest.fQuestDelayTime to 1
    AFKDudeARef.movetomarker AFKAMarker
    AFKDudeBRef.movetomarker AFKBMarker
    AFKDudeCRef.movetomarker AFKCMarker
    player.movetomarker AFKPlayerMarker
  else
    setstage AFKPropertyRightsQuest 11
  endif
endif

And let us suppose that later you make another quest in which you want to reuse that block of code. To avoid pointless hair tearing, I advise you to very closely verify that you have changed all instances of AFKPropertyRightsQuest to AFKYourNewQuest, instead of, to pull an example completely at random, changing all the stages but not the quest names, so that when you think you're setting the stage on your new quest, you are in fact setting the stage on AFKPropertyRightsQuest.

You will save yourself a great deal of frustration. Trust me.

As opposed to the lock thing, where I just haven't got any damn clue anymore.

[edit]

Also, it turns out that telling yourself you wrote code to have your NPCs evp during that one block of code, as opposed to, say, actually writing that block of code, doesn't work. Nor will your repeated assurances to yourself that you wrote said block of code when, in fact, no such block of code has been written.

Not that I would do that.

[/edit]

In fact, using the right quest for my stage changes worked AMAZINGLY better.

So, it would appear that debugging conversations between two NPCs is made exponentially funnier by the proper use of temporary voice mp3s.

Imagine, if you will, two male Imperials having a conversation about leaving on a ship. Only instead of that conversation, you hear the following exchange using the Redguard female voice set:

NPC 1: "The guards are coming to arrest you for trespassing!"
NPC 2: "Leave, right now, or I'll call the guards!"
NPC 1: "You're trespassing. You should leave now."
NPC 2: "Don't you understand me? You're trespassing, and must leave, or I'll call the guard."

Yes, Dwip, I would definitely concur that it works much better when you actually write the code to make it work instead of trying to convince yourself that you already did..

Also, setting the events in the right quest probably would go a long way toward debugging the same quest.

Sorry about the locks thing, I tried with the best suggestion I could come up with.

That does indeed sound like a conversation that belongs much more fittingly in a Laurel & Hardy or Abbot & Costello film instead of Oblivion.

*quickly scribbles down the sage wisdom being bestowed upon us while chanting "All hail the mighty demented rabbit."*

Do you people realize we went a whole day without posting in this thread? What's wrong with you!?

Samson, shame on you. You posted in the funniest thread at Bethsoft ever, and didn't share! It's a classic!

If you haven't noticed, I get pretty crazy right on about the end of testing. It's because I see bugs. Bugs, everywhere, bugs! *swat*

And this conversation keeps getting to stage 2 and dying. For little reason. It's killing me.

In recompense for the crazy, however, this.

What can I say? I don't think the guy was making a joke, but if he was, kudos on him for trolling the forum and getting away with it by riling up the armchair lawyers in us.

The reason I went the whole day without posting in it was because I ran another complete test on ABR and as Dwip pointed out, I see dead bugs. Lots and lots of dead bugs. The Bruma sanctuary is awesome btw. Which you people will get to see soon enough. One more NPC to fix because I don't like how her role in things plays out right now.

I have a feeling we're going to be trading mods to test here pretty quick.

On that note, not only does my conversation now work, my conversation is awesome. And almost the entire rest of the thing works great except the very very end, which appears to not.

I also apparently have a bug where it's possible for my spell shooting thing to shoot spells at a place I don't want it to shoot spells, which kills everyone, but, you know, besides that.

Actually, we went the entire day without posting to this site! Somehow everyone just sort of declared a holiday from Samson's blog for the day..


Now that's a beautiful screen shot, Dwip.


Wrong thread?


Wow, Samson, that's awesome news! That even makes the deafening silence for the day seem entirely worthwhile.


Yup, sounds like minor enough bugs to me..
Oh well, at least that's all that you're saying is still needing to be fixed before you're ready for the next step.

Yes, that seems likely. It's mostly down to nitpicking on my part now. Little things that aren't quite right, minor bugs being squashed, etc. Once I squash the last ones i can find and get through one complete test run without finding more I'll be ready. I am also planning to have the TESA testers take a crack at it since it's just complex enough that I may still be missing something.

Once that's all out of the way the fun with continuing Faregyl's upgrade can resume. Especially now that we have the ability to talk to creatures. I've been sitting on the stuff TalkieToaster sent me now for a couple of weeks and am dying to see how it all works.

Ok, Ok, since Samson and Dwip are both knee-deep in bugfixing, they are excused.
Conner, there's no excuse for you

Kidding aside, it's all great news and keeping me on the edge of my seat in anticipation.


Er.... what??

Edit: Oh, right, awesome pic Dwip

Playable Goblins among other things, which includes being able to talk to creatures. Being able to talk to a goblin is one of the elements I needed for Faregyl's upgrade.

Oh wow, now isn't that cool. I guess I miss the boat by not regularly reading the Beth forums.
That'll be a nice addition indeed for Faregyl.

@Hanaisse: Sorry, believe it or not, I generally only post responses to stuff.

@Samson: If Hanaisse missed the boat by not regularly following the Bethesda forums, you know I must've too..
But it does sound interesting. I imagine the game would take on a totally different context if you were playing from the perspective of one of the Daedra. Maybe Bethesda should try making a game based on the series in which you play as one of the otherwise NPC enemy type creatures and, depending on what race you choose, you'd get very different quests, reactions from "people" in the game, etc. Might make for a pretty good game, actually.

As of this last run, this appears to be where I'm at. Fixing the small stuff, like it not leaping forward 3 days when you travel on your ship, etc. Very close.

So, it's sounding like we're going to finally get both of these released almost simultaneously.. very cool!

ABR will beat AFK_Weye into release pretty handily, I think. I've finished alpha testing on my end, but there's still the alpha testing by people who aren't me (expect email soon, O Fearless Leader... ), then the voice work, then the beta testing. So we've got a ways to go yet.

However, holy shit. That was a LOT of work I just got done doing. Or will be done doing once I package it, anyway.

You're adding real voice acting? Cuz, we could have a whole debate on that .... but, I won't go there, after all it is your mod

*hides back in the hell hole of Blender*

Speaking of Blender, I made a cube. It's the most awesomest cube ever. And I painted it red.

*pats self on back*

And the alpha has been sent to the testers for testing. So much has changed, the summary email took me like half an hour to write. It's huge.

Also, while apparently my actual .esp shrank by 800 KB or so, the .bsa went from 3.9 megs to 41.3. Stuff changed. A little. Maybe.

@Hanaisse - Nice cube. It is in fact very red. Considering the whole Blender == Hell thing, kind of appropriate, huh? Next, give it lava texturing!

And yes, voice acting is, the TESA voice actors willing, the future of AFK_Weye. I've had enough clamoring for it, and run into too many walls where things I wanted to get done just couldn't get done without it - street conversations, the bard tales, the end of the Kerrach quests, and what have you. I know there's people with concerns about voice acting, and hell, I've got my own, but I'll tell you what. WhoGuru did a few lines for the end of Kerrach a while back, and when you get that sequence with voice? It's amazing.

[edit] And this thread is back to being #1 in the comments list again. As it should be. [/edit]

Zomg. So, I'm working on the next session of the tutorial, and I turned my awesome cube into an awesome stool, then this idea popped into my head, dunno where it came from ..... I should texture the cube like lava - cuz working in blender is Hell!

So, I did. My awesome lava stool.

*pats self on back again*

@Dwip; If you say voicing will make AFK_Weye that much better, we the people, trust you.

Doesn't sound like it compared to when we first started hearing about this.


I'll offer a pat as well, it's a very nice cube.


Damn, Dwip, I don't know if I can download a mod that huge.. *mutters about f%@&in' Hughesnet and their accursed Fair Access Policy nonsense...*


Talk to Fury about that one, I'm with you on which should be highest on the list.


I'll offer you another pat as well here too, that is a lovely lava stool, looks very comfortable.


Not that I disagree, but that we is either royal in nature or a treatable psychosis.. come to think of it, even if it's royal in nature it may still qualify as a treatable psychosis...

And so the great ESP swap of 2010 has begun, and the people sang and danced in the streets, while kicking dirt in the eyes of the Imperial Legion. I don't know why. Nasty crowd.

Jesus Christ the YouTube code is slow as hell.

Dancing in the streets!

And there was rejoicing ....




What a great start to my day, reading the good news and cranking that video
So glad you didn't announce it tomorrow lol

Very nice! Gratz to both of you.

This page is starting to take forever to load/scroll to the bottom, lol

I'm going to assume the obvious lack of participation of Dwip and Samson yesterday means they're hard at work

*fingers crossed*

Starting?

It's a pretty fair assumption.

Oh wait, you mean Dragon Age isn't Oblivion mod testing? My bad.

Well, you know what they say about when you assume, right?

No, playing Dragon Age: Origins doesn't quite qualify as Oblivion mod testing.

Oh, well. Since I've run out of Oblivion mods to test for the moment, I guess it will just have to do.

Well, if you're out of mods to test, that could certainly be taken as a good indicator by those of us waiting the results of that testing, no?
Either way, if you've run out of things to test for the moment, I suppose a break is reasonably earned.

Random fact that I came across, not true to Tamriel lore but interesting nonetheless. "Sith" is a Celtic word meaning "peace". How's that for irony?

Just imagine that.. have there ever been any instances in SciFi where Sith wasn't used as part of the bad guy's name/title/race?

Well, "peace of the sword" is kind of like peace, right?

On a totally other note, for us people doing graphics stuff, this video, via Andrew Sullivan, about apparently new Photoshop features. I desire this thing.

Holy crap, that's amazing.

So is "live by the sword, die by the sword", in the same way, no?

Sorry, I'm not one of those amongst us doing graphics stuff, so I'll just skip the video this time.

Looks like Samson got lost in Weye

Ok Dwip, what did you do to him?

Perhaps it's a good sign that Weye is simply so good that Samson hasn't been able to break himself free of it.

No news is good news, I guess.

And cut out the innocent act, Dwip. I think we know better You've got him locked in a dungeon somewhere..

Oh, hey, you want news updates do you?

First things first. Re:Video - Holy crap. Photoshop can do all that soon? It'll be 10 years before they put that in GIMP.

As far as Weye, yes, I'm plodding along finding bits and bugs and such, and in between waiting on beta testing results from the BTA Guild for ABR. Also decided to pick apart the bits from Talkie Toaster's goblin NPC and test it. It works really well so Faregyl's updated plot line can resume soon. Also trying to fix up some stuff with Open Cities and finally got a workable script modification to force-close the city gates if you show up and they're still open.

Also - for the record - underwater tunnels with little to no light? Bad things^®.

OMG, he's alive! :D

ABR is in the BTA already? Do they actually have anyone testing it? All I hear in the shoutbox over there is practically everyone re-installing their game lately for one reason or another, so I wouldn't have expected anyone to have a char ready enough for it. But, if so, that's fantastic!!!

Exciting news about the talking creatures and OCC fix. Someone's been a busy boy.

Yeah, BTA has it and a couple of people are poking around with it now.

I'm starting to wonder if something in Windows in general has gone bad lately because a lot of people are doing reinstalls or starting crash support threads on the official forums. My own game's stability has tanked badly since the motherboard replacement in January. Can't help but figure it's all related but couldn't tell you how. It's gotten bad enough in my case that I'm hunting for extra places to put cell purge calls. Even then, I'm still finding I have to do it manually an awful lot and the game STILL crashes. I'm not sure a fresh install would help either. I really hope Bethesda does something about this mess with TES V.

The gate fix doesn't seem to be working in Skingrad, but it is everywhere else. Not sure why that is either, they all have the same script assigned.

Welcome back, Samson. Sounds like good news from Weye then, at least overall.

I'm playing a cat person on my desktop instead of the drow I'd been playing on my laptop, light's not an issue.

My best guess would be that it has to do with one of the slew of recent patches Microsoft hit us all with.

Oddly enough, while I'd been playing just fine on my laptop for months now, today I decided to try Oblivion out on my desktop Windows Vista box in my office and, while everything seems to be working mostly fine, I can't get the tilde to do anything. Guess I need to try the ring of console mod, but that also means the OBSE thing. I suppose I was going to need it eventually anyway.

Hit up MyDocuments/MyGames/Oblivion/Oblivion.ini and look for bAllowConsole, make sure that's set to 1.

Washington, Washington. Six foot twenty, UV mapping for fun:

Which is to say that you can't see it all that well, but I totally re-UV mapped and retextured that staff the lich is holding, never mind the actual lich, all the while listening to this ridiculous bit of catchy. FTW.

I don't suppose I'm the only one of us who, when settling down to work, often puts the same song/album on repeat for hours on end. I'm weird that way.

[edit] Mostly FTW, I should say. Because, I mean, Blender, man. Holy crap. [/edit]