Empire of the Iguanadons

Yeah, this is what I get for following links from promotional OB videos in peoples' threads. I have to admit, cheesy as it is, it was funny as hell :)
.........................
"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

Good God, Samson. How many people did you hit with your coding bug?
I may have spoke too soon about him getting (bad) ideas

(and yeah, the old beth forum looked much better)

Where did you see that posted? Can't find it - this is where linking to the source would have been handy

Oh sorry, it was a comment out of the shoutbox, no official announcement or anything so nothing to link to.
So far there's one noticeable change (at the very bottom), but no 'news' about it.

At least he's doing his changes online without the whole day of downtime on y'all.

That's because TESA won't need to do a major overhaul in order to add more goodies. They've been running IP.Board 3.x for some time now.

That makes sense.

It's actually looking pretty nice, streamlined but not too much where everything is hidden.

Hijacking thread

So, I finally got around to installing Weather - All Natural since it was just updated (0.9.9).
Question: Um, is it supposed to snow in the Imperial City?

Uh, no, I wouldn't think it should be snowing in the IC. What version of OBSE are you using?

Just so you don't think I'm crazy. Maybe it's the stars falling

I'm using v0018beta4 OBSE, have been for awhile so that's not screwy. Could I have messed up something in the ini config file?
Another dumb question while I'm at it: Can/should I use both allnatural.esp and allnatural - SI.esp? Or should I only use one? (The readme doesn't say just use one).

You might need to bump that to v0018b6 instead since a lot of the most recent work was done with that version in the CS.

If you have SI and want All Natural to extend interior weather to it, you need to install the SI file. It isn't required though.

Knowing what a stickler you are for ReadMe's, I just have to say: The ReadMe does not specify a particular version is required, just that 0018 is required. I would think it would be a big deal for a lot of people to upgrade AN without knowing to upgrade their OBSE.

Not that I don't believe you, but I think I'll post this at the Nexus thread and get WrinklyNinja to take a stab at it. After all, you did say to report any funky weather

Thanks!

Yeah, if it's not in the readme we need to put it there. I'd have to go dig it up but I seem to recall reading in the OBSE thread that stuff compiled under 0018b6 needs 0018b6 to run the game from too or it won't work right. So it might be impacting the regional weather code.

Nice screen shot, Hanaisse. I vote for the stars falling theory, but that may just be that the whole chicken little notion appeals to my sense of humor rather than any logical or otherwise good rationale.

So, while I suspect that I'm going to regret having asked, is the Imperial City close enough to the equator that it can't snow there or something?

Hanaisse,

Could you post your load order? Either here or in the official thread?

@Conner: The sky is falling! lol, yeah, I went to bed thinking the same thing
You are correct. It only snows up around Bruma and the northern border, never as far down as the Imperial City. Notice as well in that pic the sky was clear, lol, and the awesome nebula.

@Samson: Of course, that makes sense. Perhaps no one tested it with a lower version to find such anomolies.

Active Mod Files:
00  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]
----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm
01  Oblivion.esm
02  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]
03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
04  Windfall.esm
05  CM Partners.esm
06  CM Partners.esp
07  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
08  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
09  All Natural - Natural Weather.esp  [Version Final]
0A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.4]
0B  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.4]
0C  BulkyNord.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  DLCHorseArmor.esp
0F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
10  DLCSpellTomes.esp
11  DLCThievesDen.esp
12  Knights.esp
13  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
14  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
15  300_White Stallion 4.esp
16  BXX_Mines.esp
17  Rainbows.esp
18  UFF Lady Shadow.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
19  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
1A  OCC-KR-Patch.esp
1B  Eterniums Chest Of Arrows.esp
1C  The Lost Spires.esp
1D  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
1E  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
1F  Slof's Eyren Armours.esp
20  Storms & Sound.esp
21  Ice Gowns for HGEC.esp
22  Gloria Armor.esp
23  Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp
24  Cliff's Smokey Chimneys.esp
25  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.2]
26  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
27  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
28  Windfall.esp
29  bartholm.esp
2A  Elwing.esp
2B  300 Feudal Empire.esp
2C  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
2D  Open Cities Road Record.esp
2E  Open Cities Leyawiin.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
2F  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
30  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
31  Open Cities Anvil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
32  Open Cities Bravil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
33  Open Cities Cheydinhal.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
34  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
35  Open Cities Chorrol.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
36  Open Cities Skingrad.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
37  KF Chapel Shop.esp
38  AFK_Weye.esp
39  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp
3A  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
3B  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp
3C  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp
3D  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
3E  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0]
3F  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
40  zzxxxx.esp
41  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.0]
42  Golden Saint and Dark Seducer Gear for Sale.esp
43  HanasHeaven.esp
44  VGA_SaintSeducer.esp
45  TutorialModTest.esp
46  HanasCrypt.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
47  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp

Is the All natural esm supposed to supercede the Oblivion esm?

No, Oblivion.esm should always be first, and the filter mod you have at the bottom should be above the bashed patch, not below it. Same with that road record file.

It was a very pretty night sky in that screenshot. We love being out here on a big farm where we can see a ton of stars at night, but even we never get nights with nebula like that.
That's quite a list of esp's & esm's.. all that doesn't bog your system enough to impact game play? (I don't mean to detract from the tech support aspects of this, but I know I can't help nearly as well as Samson could so I'm looking at other aspects.)

Well, hrm.. OB was always first until I installed this and I thought it was odd when AN came out on top. Are esm's ordered by date like esp's? Is it as simple as changing the date? (I have never been able to re-order stuff in BASH except by date, even tho it says there's a re-order function). Gonna do it anyway, wish me luck

@Conner: Ocassionally I do get a stutter/pause here and there, but for the most part it's pretty smooth. The real hit is loading screens, or maybe I'm just impatient lol. It's really not that many mods compared to some people who I've heard claim to have 'a hundred or more'.

Edit: Mmkay, re-ordered so Oblivion.esm is first and redated the bashed patch to today so the other two files would be above it. Lo and behold after running through BOSS, the two files were still below the patch. A little detective work discovered this;

Indoor Weather Filter dated 8/23/2013 9:11:42 PM (<-- btw, co-incidentally this will be a milestone birthday for me )
NRB4 Standard Road Record dated 3/19/2017 6:37:19 PM

The author of both of these files, the one and only Arthmoor! Redated so they come in above the patch.
So Samson, I blame you, for everything

Time to jump in the game and see what havoc I created

Hmm, good to know, thanks for sharing, Hanaisse.

So, that milestone birthday is when you turn 21 again?

Good luck! :D

BOSS should be automatically redating those files when you run it. Make sure Wrye Bash isn't set to lock times. Right click on the "files" column and make sure it's not set, otherwise Bash will simply reset things back the way they were.

Ahem. It's not a claim. 169 active

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]
03  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5]
04  CM Partners.esm
05  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
06  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
07  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
08  VASE - core.esm
09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
0A  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]
0B  Children Of Rourken.esm
0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0D  TR_OoT_Main.esm
0E  Windfall.esm
0F  GTAesgaard_2.esm
10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]
11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
12  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.2]
13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
15  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
16  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
17  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]
++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
18  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp  [Version 1.66]
19  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
1A  TIE.esp  [Version 1.33]
1B  Frans Illuminate Staff NPCs.esp
++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]
1C  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp
++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
1D  Happyhannah's Wines.esp  [Version 1.1]
1E  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
1F  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 1.3]
20  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]
21  DLCHorseArmor.esp
22  DLCOrrery.esp
23  DLCFrostcrag.esp
24  DLCThievesDen.esp
25  DLCVileLair.esp
26  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
27  DLCSpellTomes.esp
28  Knights.esp
29  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2A  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.21]
2B  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
2C  Whispered Warning.esp
2D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.1]
2E  OCC-KR-Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
2F  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
30  TOTF.esp  [Version 1.22]
31  OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp  [Version 4.2]
32  RTT.esp  [Version 3.01]
33  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
34  OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
35  Malevolent.esp  [Version 1.02]
36  OCC-Malevolent-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]
37  GTAesgaard.esp
38  GTAesgaard_2.esp
39  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]
3A  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]
3B  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]
3C  Nascosto Isles 3.esp
3D  COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp
3E  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]
3F  WeynonRetreat.esp  [Version 1.4]
40  The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 1.4]
41  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
42  C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
43  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5]
44  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2.1]
45  Windfall.esp
46  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
47  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.2]
48  HackdirtCaverns.esp
49  Mimics!.esp
4A  EaglesRest.esp  [Version 1.0]
4B  Snow Line Lodge.esp
4C  Better Benirus Manor - Complete.esp
4D  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary for OBSE.esp  [Version 2.3]
4E  Gaelendryl.esp
4F  Dungeons Merger.esp
50  Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp
51  Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp
52  AdenseEpicDungeon1_5.esp
53  JQ-Return_of_Dagoth_Ur.esp
54  TheOubliette.esp
55  PTArtifacts.esp
56  A Imperial Outpost - Fort Nova Varos .esp
57  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
58  Valley_View_Estate.esp
59  InnsOfCyrodill.esp
5A  Shezrie's Villages.esp
5B  TR_Stirk.esp
5C  To Feed an Empire - Wickmere Farm.esp  [Version 1.0]
5D  Damarask.esp  [Version 1.02]
5E  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp  [Version 1.3]
5F  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5]
60  AFK_Weye.esp
61  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
62  runestone.esp
63  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
64  ElsweyrC&CBlackwoodPatch.esp
65  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.4]
66  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
67  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
68  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0]
69  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]
6A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
6B  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
6C  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
6D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
6E  XulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2]
6F  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
70  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]
71  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
72  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
73  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
74  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
75  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
76  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
77  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]
78  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
79  xulTheHeath.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
7A  xulPantherRiver.esp
7B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
7C  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
7D  xulBlackwoodForest.esp
7E  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
7F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
80  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
81  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
82  West Roads.esp
83  Castle_Seaview.esp
84  EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
85  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
86  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
87  WeynonRetreat-ChorrolHinterland-Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
88  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
89  ValleyViewEstate-RiverEthe patch.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
8A  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
8B  Mimics+Ravenview+Cloudtop Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
8C  Gaelendryll-BrenaRiver patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
8D  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8E  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8F  Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
90  Verwen Brewery.esp  [Version 1.01]
91  A Imperial Outpost - Fort Novi Sad.esp
92  bartholm.esp
93  Bravil Docks.esp  [Version 1.0]
94  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]
95  Open Cities Bartholm.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
96  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5]
97  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 1.0]
98  OCC-ULCH-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]
99  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]
9A  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
9B  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]
9C  OC+Bravil Docks Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
9D  OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
9E  OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
9F  OC+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
A0  ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp
A1  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0]
A2  AFK_Blades_EQ.esp  [Version 1.0]
A3  WindowLightingSystem.esp
A4  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
A5  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Symphony of Violence.esp
++  Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp
++  Visually Realistic Lava.esp
++  TrollfLoadingScreens.esp
**  Rusty+Fine Items.esp
**  Book Jackets OB+SI+DLC.esp
**  Clutter Graphics.esp
++  QuestDialogueFix.esp
A6  PersonalMerge.esp
A7  Streamline.esp  [Version 3.11]
**  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp
A8  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Yes, I just added codebox support because of this

Oh, and once you've moved those files, you need to rebuild your bashed patch before it'll be fixed.

Oh, and:

2D  Open Cities Road Record.esp
2E  Open Cities Leyawiin.esp  [Version 3.3.1]
31  Open Cities Anvil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
32  Open Cities Bravil.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
33  Open Cities Cheydinhal.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
35  Open Cities Chorrol.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
36  Open Cities Skingrad.esp  [Version 3.3.3]

Noticed this just now. Is Bruma giving you some sort of trouble if you use it?

Oh that, that was back awhile ago, the posts long buried of the issue I had with Eternium's Chest of Arrows and Bruma. So I unloaded full OC and went with the individual cities to remove Bruma, but there's still the same problem so it's the Eternium mod that's borked and I just haven't switched back to full OC yet.

Yes, I rebuilt the patch, and thanks for the info about lock times. When I looked it was checked, so I've unchecked it now.

That's some impressive list! Almost half of those are Unique Landscapes and patches, wow! I haven't taken the leap to UL yet, I will though soon. This one --> AFK_Blades_EQ <-- this is Dwip's, no? I remember reading about it, I guess on his blog and I liked, but I can't find it anywhere. Hey Dwip, how about sending me a little present?

And, oh yeah, the latest saga. I went in game and it was still snowing. It eventually cleared up after 2 in game hours. Hard to say if it'll happen again though. I mean, it's no big deal really, just a little odd. If it does then I'll upgrade OBSE. I just want to see if it does any other strange things first. It's funny how load orders work too. Before when I went in game the screen noticeably darkened a tad, now it's back to clear sailing. That should have been my first clue something wasn't right.

@Conner: Not 21 again, 21 the first time!

AFK_Blades_EQ: That's one of Dwip's private babies. You'll need to ask him.

Yes, a huge chunk is UL+Patches, and OC+Patches. Story of my life.

I don't suppose anyone happens to know of a good image of a Dwemer gear/cog do they? One where you're looking down on it laying flat on something?

Anon - Totally Photoshopped. We all know there aren't any glass claymores owned on tables in the entire world. But heh.

Samson - Lost Spires has a Dwemer cog model, I believe.

Hanaisse - It's moderately beta, but I'll see about packing it up and passing it along, since you asked. Watch this space.

[EDIT] AFK_Blades_EQ files here. Unlike in days of yore, this edition includes new cape and cloak models and textures for both the Blades and for the Imperial Dragon armor. See chests in the Cloud Ruler Temple armory and the Imperial Prison armory for details. Cloaks and armor respawn in their chests every three days. Void where prohibited. New levels of Blades armor at 8, 12, 18, and 22. Do not eat. Report all bugs and wishes. Cape and cloak meshes from All Capes, Cloaks, Gloves, and Robes. Will work at end of load order. Keep away from small children. All armor given is heavy of slightly worse than prevailing quality. Beware of dog. [/EDIT]

And just 'cause, here's Astarius modeling the capes:





Yes, I'm pretty fond of that Imperial Dragon getup.