Cross the Border

Some kind soul emailed me this today:

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Mexican border illegally you will jailed for two years.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political prison to rot.

If you cross the United States border illegally you get:

1 - A job.
2 - A driver's license.
3 - A Social Security card.
4 - Welfare.
5 - Food stamps.
6 - Credit cards.
7 - Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house.
8 - Free education.
9 - Free health care.
10 - A lobbyist in Washington.
11 - Billions of dollars in public documents printed in your language.
12 - Millions of servicemen and women who are willing to - and do - die for your right to the ways and means of our constitution.
13 - And the right to carry the flag of your country - the one you walked out on - while you call America racist and protest that you don't get enough respect.
"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

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Posted on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 am by Samson in: | 14 comment(s) [Closed]
Hmm, haven't I sent that one out before too? :shrug: It looks awfully familiar in any event, though I know I didn't send it out today.

The sad part is that it's basically the truth and the liberals in this country don't seem to understand why anyone would ever be upset about the treatment we give to illegal aliens despite how most other countries clearly express their views of illegal aliens, including Americans who'd dare to illegally enter their countries. Oh, and let's not forget that those countries that simply jail you for violating their border generally don't extend amnesty after your prison term but rather wait til the end of your sentence to return you to the custody of the country you'd left in the first place, if you survive the prison term and the trip back to the border in the first place.

You may have sent this one out at some point. However, our kind soul donated this via my contact form last night. It's probably making the rounds again after Arizona got buttfucked by the Federal District Court.

The list of countries in this email is far from complete. Nearly all of Central and South America uses policies in line with Mexico. The Middle East is much the same way. No mention of Africa, but plenty of countries there you risk getting shot as well. Even several of the European countries, while not jailing or shooting you, will treat you like scum (rightfully so mind you) and strongly encourage you to leave. We're the only nation I know of that will bend over backward to kiss your ass for breaking the law.

That does indeed make sense.

Entirely too true, even Fury's home wouldn't consider giving someone who was there illegally half the perks that we try to insist is only right and the minimum due in the name of civil rights and humanitarianism. :headbang:

I personally thought it was interesting that (according to the Washington Post) ICE is on track to deport 400,000 illegal immigrants this year.

Also, I find it interesting that that list lionizes the practices of Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, and Mexico. So when it comes to immigration, emulating North Korea or Afghanistan is a good thing? That's a strange dichotomy in the conservative mindset...

I think the over-arching point being made here is those countries on the list are among the harshest punishers for illegal immigration. I don't think it would have quite the intended impact if all the guy did was list EU country after EU country who merely deport you for crossing illegally and then compared it to us.

The main point here is that those countries do indeed call us racists for wanting to enforce our own border laws, and to start deporting people in serious numbers (400,000 out of 40 million is a joke). We aren't advocating killing people over it. That's just the lie the left tries to float when they realize they're losing the argument.

Surely you can see that the long list of things we're giving these people is doing nothing but rewarding criminal behavior?

Honestly, I don't really have a dog in this fight. Are immigrants working, not contributing to the crime rate, and in general behaving more or less the way we hope inhabitants of our country behave? Then I don't care all that much if they're here legally or not. Really. So is it rewarding criminal behavior? Technically, sure, but I don't really care about the crime involved. If an illegal immigrant is, say, out committing robberies, then I care. But I would care about that regardless of their legal status. It just means the punishment involves deportation rather than jail time.

Edited by Regina on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 pm
Are immigrants working, not contributing to the crime rate, and in general behaving more or less the way we hope inhabitants of our country behave?

Come to California. Or Arizona. New Mexico, Texas, or Florida. I promise you you'll have a dog in this hunt.

Also, nice one. The issue isn't with the immigrant part of all this. It's with the illegal part. Call me old fashioned, but I think obeying the law is somewhat important, especially when it's been shown repeatedly that those breaking this law are also committing identity theft and document fraud in alarming numbers. A large number are also involved in the illegal drug trade, which leads to robberies and murders.

At least you're honest about not caring if they're here illegally or not. That's a lot more than you ever get from liberals around here. They'd rather just call you a racist and leave it at that.

I'll second Samson's comment that it's refreshing to find someone honestly admitting that they don't care whether these would be immigrants are here illegally or not, but I also agree with him that the very fact they are here illegally is a problem all by itself. My grandparents came to this country through legal immigration processes and had to learn enough english to get by as well as jump through all the hoops that imigration placed before them, why shouldn't these people also have to endure that to gain the benefits this country offers? But, even setting that issue aside, the very fact that they're willing to break the law to get into this country might just be an act of desperation, but the fact that they're then willing to continue breaking the law to stay here makes it that much easier for them to conscious breaking other laws, often severely, knowing that the worst that will happen is they might be caught and deported and even that's unlikely because it's well known worldwide that we don't really make more than a token effort from time to time of enforcing our immigration laws. Is that really the right way for us to be? Don't we have enough problems of our own already without bringing anyone who wants to be here benefits for being here even if they're here illegally? If the government didn't have to support all these illegals, maybe more could be done for those of us who are actual citizens rather than uninvited denizens.

Oh, and welcome back Regina. :)

Edited by Conner on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 pm
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #9 Aug 4, 2010 6:35 am
Has anyone here ever tried to enter the USA as a foreigner? It's not as easy as the media have you believe it. Even if you are the spouse and parent of a citizen, they don't just let you in and let you items from that list of 13.

Sorry, Mohammed, I was born here so I never had the opportunity to try to enter as a foreigner and don't see it as a likely future prospect either. I have had the opportunity to enter quite a few other countries as a foreigner in the past, but always with a valid passport/visa, and it can indeed be a daunting venture (even just returning to the US can be) because of all the fun of going through customs. What list of 13 are you talking about? But, we're not talking about folks who come to the country legally here, we're talking about those who violate our borders without bothering to apply for either citizenship nor visas. While the prospect of going through customs can be a pain in the ass, entering any country illegally is pretty risky and very clearly raises a significant chance that someone will catch you and consider you a national threat or at least an enemy of the state. In most countries it'd be assumed that if you entered illegally you're either a spy or an invader. Only America would reward that effort/risk with a cornucopia of welfare style benefits though. :(

What Conner said.

The folks we're talking about here aren't waiting at the San Ysidro crossing. They're bolting across the Arizona desert, or the Rio Grande. Actions that would likely get you killed in all 13 of the countries on the OP list.

Anonymous [Anon] said:
Comment #12 Aug 5, 2010 2:50 am
I meant items
1 - A job.
2 - A driver's license.
through 13

A legal alien isn't given those, so I wonder if illegal aliens really are.

Well, they are. It happens all the time right here in Southern California. Illegals come in, infiltrate the job market, and utterly destroy it. All while committing document fraud, identity theft, and crying about how it's racist to want the laws enforced.

Not only that (and it's far from being an isolated thing for California alone), if they visit Bank of America they can also get loans and credit cards with far less "qualifications" than citizens are required. :rolleyes:

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