Religion of Peace

Theo van Gogh, a noted filmmaker from The Netherlands who made a short film about the terrible treatment of Muslim women in Islam, was brutally murdered in the streets of Amsterdam. Van Gogh was shot down, and as he lay pleading for his life, was shot again. The assailant, one Mohammed Bouyeri, then took out a knife and slit his throat, leaving van Gogh to bleed to death. Afterward, Bouyeri took out a 5 page manifesto threatening most Western countries.

So when exactly did this happen? November 2, 2004. Yes, that's right, 6 years ago this happened. Though it is mentioned on Wikipedia, there was apparently no coverage of any sort in US media.

Keep this in mind the next time you hear your local news whitewashing something involving Islam. It is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of cruelty and war. They are not directed to live among us in harmony, they are directed to kill us as infidels if we do not convert. They will stab you through the chest and attach manifestos to your body if they think it will serve their ends.

Yes, for those who are wondering, Theo van Gogh's great uncle was Vincent van Gogh, the famous painter.
"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

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Posted on Aug 23, 2010 5:19 pm by Samson in: | 212 comment(s) [Closed]
I don't have a lot of interest in getting into your actual subject, but wait, you're seriously just now hearing about this? It was huge at the time, and I hear about it every so often since. Astonishment.

I am, as are apparently a whole lot of people. I certainly can't find any evidence that it was covered in major US media at the time. Plenty that it was covered in The Guardian and other UK publications, but even that's a bit odd since it happened in The Netherlands.

Well, 2004 was before Obama's time so I'm not sure why a clearly anti-muslim story would've been hushed here in the US even when it wasn't in the UK, but I also can't say that I find it particularly surprising. Of course, you all already know how I feel about our national news services and such. And, no, Dwip, I hadn't heard about this one before this either, which is a little odd because I do tend to follow headlines in the UK too. :shrug:

Just google "Sudanese Teddy Bear". There were mobs calling for an execution in that case.

Well, yes, the case of Ms. Gibbons was also a good example of the Muslim notion of peaceful coexistence but it was a bit different from this case in several regards though. For one thing, no one was actually killed despite the calls for execution and, for another, the story was as highly publicized here as anywhere else.

Now the Teddy Bear case I do remember, and it did receive extensive coverage in US media. However, I wouldn't put much stock in the idea that the Muslim Council of Britain is a peace loving and friendly organization.

Oh no, they were just upset about that one because it had such major world-wide publicity and involved Sudan trying to kill a non-citizen over something that the rest of the world wasn't okay with.

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #8 Aug 24, 2010 9:30 am
I seem to recall that it was 'covered' in the US media at the time, they just didn't spend a whole lot of time on it. In certain ways, despite our always being on about "freedom of the press, and freedom of speach" we are a bit chicken shit about certain things; so the Islamic bit of it was heavily downplayed. (Don't want to insult the muslims, or make people place the blame on someone's religious delusions..I mean beliefs.)

At any rate, Islam is a religion of peace-with-those-who-agree. Much like Christianity was say 700 yrs ago.

Yeah, well, pehaps a wee bit worse even than Christianity some 700 years ago since Islam also persecutes their own when they practice in ways that aren't the same as the sect that the persecuters belong to.. wait, maybe it is the same as Christianity some 700 years or so ago...

You're thinking of Catholicism which is a perversion of actual Christianity. It would be entirely accurate to say the Catholics were very brutal and oppressive.

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #11 Aug 25, 2010 10:49 am
That's why just about every country in Europe had some sort of war between the Protestants and Catholics; with each one trying to destroy the other. In modern times, the Orthodox and the Catholic have the distinct advantage of unity of purpose. For protestants, however, their are many purposes, indeed as many as the sands on the shore, all of which claim to be 'the one true' (whatever-even the terms vary according to creed).

Well, yes, of course we're thinking of Catholicism, but aside from being Christian extremists they were also the primary sanctioned sect of Christianity at the time in question.

Pretty much. Folks started realizing long before Martin Luther that The Church was corrupt and not serving the people but until his famous reaction to it most were too scared of The Church to do or say anything openly about it. Once Protestants existed as an alternative, well it was everyone's opportunity to seek their own way and try their own hand at making everyone else suffer with their ideals like The Church had done to them for hundreds of years.

Given that Catholics have certain worship practices involving Mary even today, they don't fall under the umbrella of true Christianity. Concepts such as Purgatory and all that aren't even in the Bible. Even the fish hat the Pope wears is derived from a pagan god. Catholicism is effectively the organized form of Paganism today. Which is precisely why you ended up with a Protestant movement.

:shrug: If you say so, Samson. I've never even made a little effort to conceal that I'm Jewish and, while I do find discussion of various religions fascinating, I'm certainly no expert on Catholicism. As far as my own beliefs go; none of the silliness from the New Testament is in the bible either, whether the Catholics herald it or not. ;)

Either way, as is not uncommon around here, I think we've drifted a bit from the point of Muslim evils being unreported in this country...

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #15 Aug 25, 2010 4:19 pm
conner said:

As far as my own beliefs go; none of the silliness from the New Testament is in the bible either, whether the Catholics herald it or not.

What a coincidence! None of the silliness from the old or new testament is in my beliefs! Either is the central character of those books.


Dallen said:

Either is the central character of those books.

Man? :P

I wasn't aware the Old Testament has one central character :P

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #18 Aug 25, 2010 9:28 pm
Actually, I meant the invisible, omnipotent, & omnipresent sky dictator. (And I'm toning down my opinion of that asshole).

You mean as in atheism, the religion in who's name more people have been killed than any other? That one?

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #20 Aug 25, 2010 11:16 pm
NO, Jackass-I mean as in ANTI-theism. I hate JVHV. and everthing he stands for. Given the choice between your savior and the fuher, i'll choose the fuher, ASSHOLE. the fuher has the advantage of existing.

Yes, atheism. Also possible to describe as anti-theism. I don't know what or who JVHV even is.

You do realize your fuhrer was in fact one of the biggest atheists of the 20th Century, right?

Hate crime is hate crime, seems there are plenty of nutters out there or all religious and racial backgrounds, white guy stabs arab guy in NYC

(Dallen) [Anon] said:
Comment #23 Aug 25, 2010 11:41 pm
jvhv is the god! (I refuse to capitalize his name) And It's YOUR fuhrer, not mine. Plus, Herr Hitler was a practicing catholic his hole life. AND HE WAS NEVER CORRECTED!! Herr HItler was (technichaly) practicing perfect catholic racial policies when he orderd [my great grandfather] to eleminate the "jew/jypsee/neegroid" threat.

B4 Conner goes ape-shit: I do not subscribe to any of that bollocks.

(my great grand father is Wilhelm Canaris. On the off chance Conner is remotely interested)

Um, okay, I did a Google search on JVHV and apparently it's something to do with Jehovah's Witnesses or some band, I'm not entirely clear on that based on the results of the search... either way, I'm not sure what that has to do with atheism either. Nor why you're calling Samson (or me?) a "Jackass/ASSHOLE". Nor why you're bringing the "fuher" into this. (I'm assuming that Samson's got you read correctly and you meant "Fuhrer", but still can't see why Hitler was appropriate to the discussion at this point...) :blink:

If anything, I'd have thought that Karl Marx was more Anti-theism than Adolph Hitler was, but.. (After all, Hitler had no issues with Christians or Buddhists or... just Jews, Muslims, Blacks, & Gays, and anyone who was even remotely related to one of those groups (excepting himself, naturally) or who in any way offered support, aide, or sympathy to one of those groups, while Marx wanted the whole no religion at all ideology... no?)

Man, Dallen, Dude.. take a breather and think this one through. Who here tried to piss in your Wheaties?? You said something a bit ambiguous that just way too easily called for someone to respond in a smart-ass manner and both Samson and I took the bait. Even Samson's second remark was just repeating a well known quote, he wasn't exactly attacking you directly. :(

Yeah, well, pehaps a wee bit worse even than Christianity some 700 years ago since Islam also persecutes their own when they practice in ways that aren't the same as the sect that the persecuters belong to.. wait, maybe it is the same as Christianity some 700 years or so ago...

Nothing has changed for the Christians either, there are plenty of evangelicals who are willing to take a Gun to those who oppose their wingnut views. One only has to look to the number of abortion doctors who have been killed in the USA by wingnut christians as an example, the internet is littered with stories about the hate crimes perpetrated by so called christians, from gay bashings to the attempted bombing of abortion clinics.

There is no difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians, they are all a bunch of fucked up loonies trying to force their world view on to a public that wants nothing to do with them. The religions themselves teach tolerance and forgiveness, its just a shame that they have been hijacked by fuckwits.

Edited by The_Fury on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 pm
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