Romney-Ryan 2012

So it is done. The ticket for the Republican party has been decided at last: Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will be the team to lead us to victory in November.

There were a number of people up for contention for the spot, all of whom would have made a good choice: Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Tim Pawlenty, Chris Christie, Bobby Jindal, Rob Portman, and even General David Petraeus. In the end, Romney has made a wise choice by picking someone with solid experience, the qualifications to fill the office should the need arise, and someone who has proven fiscal discipline and the ONLY worthwhile budget plan to have been floated in the Senate in decades. Combining this with Romney's executive experience as both a governor and a CEO, the ticket is as solid as it could get at this point. Now it's on to dealing with the menace that is Obama-Biden.

Ryan wasted no time in coming out fighting and slamming Obama for the mess he's made over the last 4 years. It would be damn near impossible for anyone to dispute that things have been bad, and that Obama has done nothing whatsoever to improve the situation. Instead, he's simply made it WORSE that it could have been. Unemployment figures published by the government are woefully understated, even at 8.3% currently. Look around you, I'm sure you know at least 3 people who are out of work right now and can't find any. One of those people has probably resorted to collecting welfare just to survive. One probably found a way to get on disability, and the 3rd one - if they were lucky - managed to collect unemployment. Guess who the only one actually being counted is? Double your statistic and you'll have a much clearer picture of the problem. It's far more likely the real numbers are around 15%. Not 8%.

Of course, the Obama campaign retaliated almost immediately against Ryan's accusations, but had nothing of substance to offer up for it other than calling Ryan's budget plan a sham and a return to the "Failures of Bush." Seriously guys. It's time to get a new line of rhetoric. Bush has been gone for 4 years now. Take some damn responsibility for the catastrophe you've helped cause. Plus, the notion that Ryan is attempting to end Medicare seems a bit disingenuous when it was Obamacare that signed Medicare's death warrant and Ryan has been against that all along.

Whatever you may think, it's time to get ready for full on campaign season to begin. Both sides are going to be at each other's throats between now and November. I for one am looking forward to seeing who shows up to speak at the Republican convention, and then to watch as Romney and Ryan wipe the floor with Obama and Biden during the upcoming debates. Though, as I'm sure everyone has noticed, the TV ads are going to get brutal. Very brutal.

Oh, and for those wondering, no, this isn't the 500th post yet. A number of posts were sacrificed as software tests in early days. This is actually only #477.
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"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

       
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Posted on Aug 11, 2012 3:27 pm by Samson in: | 289 comment(s) [Closed]
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I haven't decided if he made the best choice of those he had to choose from yet, but it doesn't appear to have been a bad choice either way. I do agree that things are about to get pretty interesting in this campaign.

As for the post count thing, it clearly depends on how you choose to count, the software obviously thinks every posting counted, even the ones you later deleted because you were just testing. You could always just have the site reset itself based on active count, but after all you'd done to make the site use URLs that work better for search engines and such, it'd play major havoc on any existing links to specific posts/comments.

       
Edited by Conner on Aug 11, 2012 4:49 pm
Jindal and Rubio are probably both too young and inexperienced for this just yet, but they would still have been good choices. Perhaps later down the line, or maybe tap them for cabinet posts. Of the remaining candidates, any he chose would have filled the job just as well. I think he was sending a message though that he's serious about fiscal reform and there's nobody out there who is more attuned to that than Ryan. In any case, it'll bolster the conservative base, which he'll need in order to win.

It's the database that's counting the numbers wrong. Even after table optimization it doesn't return unused IDs to the pool. So they're effectively lost and the only way to get things back would be to change the post IDs manually. Which as you say would make a horrible mess of things with Google.

       
I don't know whether Jindal & Rubio are too young and inexperienced or not, sometimes lack of experience in the political realm can equate to not being overly jaded and youth can point to fresh ideas, but still, I think you may be right that by picking Ryan he's sent a loud message about financial reform and also garnering much needed conservative support, so overall, maybe he was the best choice.

Not to mention what a pain in the ass it'd be to manually renumber some 477 posts. ;)

       
I am so over politics currently, Liberal/Labour, Republican/Democrat, I wish they would all just bugger off and die some horrible horrible death. Every system of governance in history has withered and died because of greed, corruption and ineptitude, I just wish the democratic system would die its death much sooner, so we can all be spared the pain our governments and oppositions are dealing us on a daily basis with their stupid games and point scoring. If democracy is the best political philosophy the human race can deliver, i look forward to experiencing Newtons 3rd Law in action as everything eventually blows up in a fire ball.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 11, 2012 7:29 pm
Tell us how you really feel, Fury :P

       
Tell us how you really feel, Fury :P


LOL yeah i used a lot of words there, when "Frustrated" kind of sums it all up in one word.

       
:lol: Feeling that excited over the upcoming segment of the next rounds of who's going to take office, Fury? ;)

       
A bit of both really Conner, the choices we face are incompetence or extreme ideology. It is going to be an interesting election in some ways, who do you vote for, the incompetent government with good fiscal management or the opposition who is loathed by all but the party faithful that has an 80bil dollar hole in its budget?

For those of use who decide the outcome of most elections, the swing voter, there is just nothing on offer by either of the main parties to make you want to vote for them. So protest vote is about all that i can look forward to giving.

As far as policy goes, the conservatives have "We will look after the rich and want to be the Australian Tea Party" and the Progressives have "We want to make everyone happy but will please no one" God help us all.

Oh and the most important thing either of these 2 groups of idiots can argue about, BOAT PEOPLE, like fuck me, like i know we are not all that bad off, unemployment is low, debt is low, but seriously, do we not have much more important things we can put into debate other than asylum seekers and how to deal with them.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 12, 2012 2:15 am
On our side of the pond, I'd much rather someone who's "the incompetent government with good fiscal management" rather than "the opposition who is loathed by all but the party faithful that has an 80bil dollar hole in its budget", but I think that one's basically obvious, fortunately, I'm not so sure the former is as incompetent as some apparently believe either.

For your side of the pond, well, I'm glad to not be facing that particular vote myself.

       
You guys over there should be glad all they have is an $80 billion hole. Over here, that would get you hailed as a fiscal hero for decades to come. Sort of like Reagan actually. Right now, our hole is $1.5 Trillion, and the longer Obama keeps digging, the deeper it gets.

So in that case, I'll take a total boob fresh out of college as long as they have the fiscal management to back it up with. We've spent 50 years now with liberal tax & spend policy and it's the ruin of us all.

And fuck... my stomach is on fire. WTF did I eat that could have been so bad?

       
I do not think anyone has the balls in US politics to get your budget back on track. Everyone one of them has sold you out one way or the other in that regard. Obama, Bush, Bush again, i think Clinton was the only one to have one balanced budget out of the lot of them and even then it was an imaginary on paper balance.

What you guys need are austerity measures Greek style and tax increases to get your government back on track, both of which are death knells at the ballot box in the US. Seems you have a good case of game theory happening there, where the only outcome will be sub par.

WTF did I eat that could have been so bad?


The meds i take for my arthritis are sulphur based, stomach contains sulphuric acid, I think you can see my dilemma. My choices are, pain in the joints or pain in the guts, neither of which are all that much fun.

       
The_Fury said:

A bit of both really Conner, the choices we face are incompetence or extreme ideology. It is going to be an interesting election in some ways, who do you vote for, the incompetent government with good fiscal management or the opposition who is loathed by all but the party faithful that has an 80bil dollar hole in its budget?


I disagree on the 'loathed by all but the party faithful'. Everyone loathes Abbot, fuck him he should go die in hole, but rest of the party seems to be more popular than the government. The opinion polls are a pretty big give away. Its not going to take terribly much for the governments whole surplus thing to go astray anyway. They should've made the cuts the budget before, but no, they've left it till the last moment and now it may not happen after all. Wouldn't that be tragic, if it was revealed that we wouldn't actually have a surplus right before the 2013 election. :tongue:

The_Fury said:

Oh and the most important thing either of these 2 groups of idiots can argue about, BOAT PEOPLE, like fuck me, like i know we are not all that bad off, unemployment is low, debt is low, but seriously, do we not have much more important things we can put into debate other than asylum seekers and how to deal with them.


I dunno, it's a pretty tricky moral issue. The stonewalling of both major parties doesn't help though and the Greens 'solution' is to make the problem worse.

Anyway, its interesting hearing what Raul Ryan thinks and seeing just how many miles further to the right he is than Australia's conservatives. A politician that advocated dismantling medicare over here would be lynch mobbed.

(I keep getting the feeling I've got a really angry undertone to all of this; its probably because I'm studying for an English test at the moment. And I hate the subject because its a cesspit of post-modernist arty crap. Although, that's probably better than the days when you had to learn grammar)

       
What you guys need are austerity measures Greek style and tax increases to get your government back on track, both of which are death knells at the ballot box in the US. Seems you have a good case of game theory happening there, where the only outcome will be sub par.

Yes, exactly, and that's precisely what Ryan's budget plan was all about. You really think that a budget that would cut $6 Trillion off the debt and come as close to balancing things as anyone has since Regan wouldn't be considered austerity?

And yes, before someone decides to jump me for crediting Reagan with the surplus in the 90s, it was HIS fiscal policy that got us there. IT was the Republicans in control of Congress at the time who delivered on continuing those policies well past his second term, and they more or less FORCED Clinton into signing it or face a veto override.

Also, I'm not on any medications. Hell I haven't had a stomach issue like this in ages, and all but a handful have always been due to getting hold of some bad food. But everything I've eaten in the last 3 days has been well cooked. This is different. It came on rather suddenly, woke me up, and it's been burning at me ever since, although in the last hour or so it's starting to subside. I wonder if guzzling half a gallon of water might have fixed it :P The Pepto Bismal didn't do shit.

       
Everyone loathes Abbot, fuck him he should go die in hole,


People like Samson will vote for him without question just because he is a conservative, it does not matter that he will be a god awful prime minister who wants to take the nation back to the dark ages, in as much as a die hard progressive will vote for Julia even though she is an incompetent PM.

Normally speaking, those 2 groups would account for 30% of the public each, leaving 40% as swing voters, but, one cannot discount the Anna Blight effect either, where ones party can even disenfranchise the party faithful. This is something Tony Abbot has not done, but Gillard has the makings of achieving.

Sadly, when i gaze into my crystal ball i see an Abbot landslide, not because anyone wants him as PM, but just because people are done with Julia's incompetence. One can only hope the greens hold the balance in the senate, to stop Tony's repressive social agenda and his playing favour to the rich.


Yes, exactly, and that's precisely what Ryan's budget plan was all about.


The US populous is so used to excess in everything, excess is almost the American way of life, but these types of spending cuts are going to hurt everyone, and are a sure fire way to piss off everyone, It will be a bitter medicine that no one wants, but one the nation sorely needs.

I cannot see Romney/Ryan beating Obama however, and Obama has not been a bad president, sure he has not been a great one, but he has not been all that bad for your nation. Just a little too slow and measured domestically to get things moving as fast as people want.

But when you have the problems of Greece and Spain in an economy the size of the US, there is no quick fix, and it is going to take time to get things back on track.

       
People like Samson will vote for him without question just because he is a conservative

Nope. We'd vote for him because the other person is a complete moron. Gillard is it? Yep. She's your Obama. If anyone wants to take us all back to the dark ages it's the libs.

Obama has not been a bad president

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Maybe your media is desperately trying to spin it that way, but ours has somewhat woken up to the reality that Obama has been far worse for this country than Carter was. They aren't openly condemning him yet, but there's been plenty of barbs thrown his way by networks other than NBC/MSNBC.

       
And that was when Democrats everywhere spake forth as one voice, "LOL".

Romney seems bound determined to have a referendum on his positions now versus his positions 20 years ago, and now I suppose he's going to get it.

       
The_Fury said:

Sadly, when i gaze into my crystal ball i see an Abbot landslide, not because anyone wants him as PM, but just because people are done with Julia's incompetence. One can only hope the greens hold the balance in the senate, to stop Tony's repressive social agenda and his playing favour to the rich.


That might not be a bad combination. Actually, this whole debacle with the Greens has left me thinking that having a smaller third party might not be a bad thing. It may help keep the balance, at least as long as they don't 'replace the bastards' as Bob Brown was hoping for. Also, me wonders that if the whole budget surplus thing works out a) we won't get such a big liberal landslide and b) Abbot won't go around cutting anything because he won't have a 'balanced budget' excuse to play on.

Samson said:

Nope. We'd vote for him because the other person is a complete moron. Gillard is it? Yep. She's your Obama. If anyone wants to take us all back to the dark ages it's the libs.


As much as I dislike her Prime Ministership, there is an unintended irony in that as he governments spending billions on a new broadband network while the conservative party (or at least their leader) has being going 'Bah! Let them use wireless instead!'

       
Abbot won't go around cutting anything because he won't have a 'balanced budget' excuse to play on.


Yeah he will, he will cut the crap out of a lot of services so that Clive Palmer and Gina Rhienheart can get a tax cut.

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.


I think that perspective has a lot to do with it. Firstly, has there ever been a democrat you liked? I think not, so most of what you think about Obama is 100% republican bias.

Secondly, if you lived in Greece, Spain or even Ireland, you would be more than happy with 1% growth and 10% unemployment (Obama's record), compared to -10% growth and 25% unemployment. in these other nations Obama has been mildly brilliant when you compare his efforts compared to some other nations, whom, like your own, are on the brink of bankruptcy.

You should think yourself lucky that Obama has not cut your 401 payments by 50%, if you lived in Greece, that is exactly what would have happened to you.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 13, 2012 12:37 am
But we're not in Greece, Spain, or even Ireland, Fury, we're in a country that has a long standing history of presidents who have much better track records than 1% growth and 10% unemployment, and, as Samson pointed out in the initial post, Obama's claim of 8.3% unemployment is farcical compared to what can be seen openly on nearly every street in America. Frankly, I'm pretty sure that neither Samson nor I has 401k payments to make at this point.. for that matter, I rather suspect that Dwip doesn't either.

       
What Conner said.

I wish I still HAD a 401K. I had to cash it out because Obama's policies crippled the job market so much that NOBODY is hiring anymore. Not for a lack of trying either. I'm about to the point where I'm going to say fuck it all and go sign up for welfare. At least then I'd have money to spend on food. I'd also not be counted as unemployed for doing this, which is why these statistics are utterly bogus.

       
Unfortunately, my family has been on welfare for quite awhile now, so my wife and I aren't counted in those unemployment numbers either. What's really sad is that, because my father died last month, in all likelihood, we'll actually lose our right to be on welfare sometime in the next year when my father's estate pays out because we'll be above the asset resource limit. Thankfully, our farm is already providing us all of our meat and eggs and, by then, should also be providing us most of our produce as well, so the loss of food stamps will not have quite as much impact as it would otherwise, but it will significantly raise our monthly electric bill and it will mean that I will have to find some way to pay for health insurance for myself and my children, despite the fact that it is looking very likely that I will actually inherit only about enough money to survive on for about 2-3 years (at most, very likely FAR less) and still not really be eligible for employment to help further those funds. Considering my father's estate is worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 million, that's really pathetic, don't you think? ..never mind, let's just not go there, it'd require too much complicated explanation of a situation that I really don't want to get into.

       
But we're not in Greece, Spain, or even Ireland, Fury, we're in a country that has a long standing history of presidents who have much better track records than 1% growth and 10% unemployment,


No you are not, but the point is you have growth and somewhat fair unemployment numbers and low interest rates and all things considered, you could be a fuck load worse off than you currently are, as other countries are that face the same problems you do. You could easily have recession, 20% unemployment and rioting in the streets, but you do not, and the reason for that is because your Gov has done an ok job of very bad circumstances.

Fury, we're in a country that has a long standing history of presidents who have much better track records than 1% growth and 10% unemployment


Maybe you are looking on the past with rose coloured glasses. Bush 1 lost his election because of 10.8% unemployment and negative growth in 90-91, and he only had a 1.5% contraction to deal with. Obama had a 5.1% contraction to deal with and in 2 years he has gotten things to 1% growth. As far as his economic credentials go, a change of 6% is a pretty good.

       
Fury, we still have recession and oppressive inflation. The stats you're reading have been manipulated by leftists in the government to make things look better than they really are. Stop and think. Why would you exclude food and energy prices from the formulas that decide the inflation rate if not to hide the truth?

The answer is simple. The Dems don't want to give up power and they're willing to destroy this country in order to retain it.

       
Fury, we still have recession and oppressive inflation. The stats you're reading have been manipulated by leftists in the government to make things look better than they really are.


Words are wind, where is the proof.

       
It's on the grocery receipt where bread, cheese, milk, cereal, and meat have all gone up 20-30% in price in the last 4 years. Sorry, I don't have digital copies of those to show you, and Uncle Sam won't listen when he's told this is the case.

       
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