The Euro Game Is Up!

Wow. Someone in the EU actually gets it. Jesus, and here most of us thought they had all given up!


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"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

       
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Posted on Nov 30, 2010 3:17 am by Samson in: | 96 comment(s) [Closed]
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@Mohammed: I imagine that was a fairly significant factor as well, but it's definitely an aside to the point we were playing at here... :P

@Prettyfly: Oh, but that kind of defeats the whole sentiment, doesn't it? I mean, the original idea was that Australia as a whole was to be an inescapable oobliette effectively.. next thing we know you're going to insist that the desert also be fenced in with guards posted. Of course, there's still the problem of air traffic and such these days making a return by an escapee so much easier... ;)

       
I didn't mean that, I just meant that we're running out of space that's actually comfortable (climate-wise) to live in, so those prisoners should be stuck somewhere that they won't take up space that 'free' Australian need. I mean, nobody in there right mind goes to live in the desert (much), so there's plenty of room there, and hey, we'll only need a low fence and a couple of guards because if the prisoners escape because out in that desert a runaway prisoner will die very, very quickly, hence its pretty much inescapable.

       
I think that's pretty much what the British thought of the whole island to begin with.. really didn't work so well the first time either.. :lol:

       
Well, they managed to dump 500,000 convicts here over 80 odd years. That's right, Australia is founded on a solid basis of petty criminals.

       
Well you're right about nobody in their right mind moving into a desert. Just look at Southern California. 15 million insane maniacs all living in the desert.

       
Yes, but that desert is reasonably close to the ocean. Australian desert is in the middle of the continent. Plus it has enormous fire seasons (and I mean ENORMOUS), hotter summers, far more limited water resources, and no existing structural systems for someone to just go move in there.

       
Clearly you haven't seen the Mojave Desert then, or seen news reports about our monstrous fire seasons. Granted, most of those are in the hilly terrain and the mountains, but we've had a few good sized desert fires in the past as well. Summers in our desert get plenty hot, even here in the more tamed areas. You certainly can't go out away from the roads very far without water before you risk your own death. The Mojave is huge and only the populated southern portions of it make it look like it's not such a big deal.

       
Its probably more than anything else got to do with available infrastructure in those desert areas. California has lots, Australia has none.

I was under the impression that those fires were in the forested areas of California. But I suppose that there would be enough stuff to burn in the desert after rain (same in Australia).

BTW I have seen the Mojave desert...in...Fallout New Vegas(ok, so it doesn't count).

       
Yes, most of our seasonal fires are in the "forested" areas. If you could call them that. As urbanized as many of them are, they usually turn into huge conflagrations that burn up entire neighborhoods in the process. I don't know that you could really call the Santa Ana mountains a forest anymore, but certainly Big Bear still is.

Desert fires are not as common, but they do happen, and usually with as much intensity as any other wildfire around here. We had a big one out in Indio (Palm Springs area) when I lived out there 30 years or so ago that burned up a whole bunch of desert scrub, but almost nobody cared since almost nobody lived in the actual burn zones.

Somehow I suspect Bethesda's vision of the Mojave Desert isn't quite like the real one :P

       

Desert fires are not as common, but they do happen, and usually with as much intensity as any other wildfire around here. We had a big one out in Indio (Palm Springs area) when I lived out there 30 years or so ago that burned up a whole bunch of desert scrub, but almost nobody cared since almost nobody lived in the actual burn zones.


Just like the desert fires in Australia, just as intense as any other bushfire(except Australia's are far bigger because there is simply more desert to burn, sometimes they get up to 120 million hectares or more) but nobody gives a shit because its in area's where nobody really lives.

Somehow I suspect Bethesda's vision of the Mojave Desert isn't quite like the real one :P


What! You mean Vegas isn't a post-apocalyptic wasteland! (I only actually got the game yesterday, and I'm currently shooting, would you have it, escaped convicts)

       
prettyfly said:

Well, they managed to dump 500,000 convicts here over 80 odd years. That's right, Australia is founded on a solid basis of petty criminals.

Actually, they weren't all such petty criminals, but, yeah, overall, that's Australia for you these days. I'll bet the aborigines would argue about Vorians claims that the British never invaded anywhere too. ;)

Mojave Desert aside, even the Gobi Desert is populated. Desert life is incredibly brutal to those not accustomed to it, but truthfully, lots of folks in this world willingly take up residence in desert regions regularly. Of course, technically the largest and most inhospitable desert on the planet is Antarctica, no? Sure that's a wee bit different climate than what you had in mind.. :P

As for Bethesda's vision of post-apocalyptic wastelands.. they seem to do pretty well at retaining the general basic geography and landscape in the game, but everything else they take pretty liberal artistic license. :grinning:

       
As for Bethesda's vision of post-apocalyptic wastelands.. they seem to do pretty well at retaining the general basic geography and landscape in the game, but everything else they take pretty liberal artistic license


Otherwise, I figure it would probably be very boring. :smile:

       
:shrug: It's hard to say, they could've used real terrain/geography, modern buildings and traffic and so forth in very detailed and very realistic manner (without even the post-apocalyptic setting) and just given a different back story that allowed for you to justify shooting everything that moved unless it was willing to sell stuff to you and you'd probably still have found it nearly as fun. ;)

       
prettyfly said:

Well, they managed to dump 500,000 convicts here over 80 odd years. That's right, Australia is founded on a solid basis of petty criminals.


And that's not all, Britain also sent convicts to other colonies, including America.

       
Unfortunately our criminals stayed and became Democrats. :cyclops:

       
You'd think that after 200+ years they'd have died out already, but they keep reproducing themselves and managing not to get assassinated before they can teach their young to be as bad as they were... (those British criminals in our political system that is) ...in fact, somehow they even manage to avoid getting prosecuted as felons too which would preclude them from active politics here. It's really quite amazing considering how zealous our prosecutors get here these days. :(

       
Vladaar [Anon] said:
Comment #92 Dec 9, 2010 1:13 pm
The man spoke the truth to those who don't want to hear it.

If you don't watch Glenn Beck you probably should, the man
might not be 100% right about the future but if he is 25% right
the time is now to stock up on guns, food, and gold. I know
I am working on it.

       
I've been given the impression that American prosecutors are to zealous and their methods are causing more harm than good in a lot of respects...

       
Hmm? Prosecutors too zealous? I dunno about that. Our court systems all too often make the mistake of erring too far on the side of obviously guilty defendants. A lot of really nasty evil people have been turned loose on technicalities, only to kill or rape or rob or whatever again.

@Vlad: Yep. That about sums up what Farage has been doing. Not just that one time either. Tons of speeches given that the EU simply doesn't want to hear.

I'd also say if Glenn Beck is even 10% right, we're in for a massive shitstorm in the next year. What sucks is that his track record is far better than 10% :(

       
:Gasp!: :blink: Vladaar's back?!? Long time, no see, how've you been?

@prettyfly: It really depends on who you ask. A lot of folks encourage them by harboring Samson's sentiments that our justice system tends to let far too many go free who belong behind bars and plenty of us feel that is a fault of the Judges whereas the prosecutors are way too zealous about their jobs and tend to go after folks with a vengeance for the slightest hint of allegation, especially if it's anything they can remotely call a sexual offense.

@Samson: Yes, a lot of bad guys go free on technicalities and then turn around and commit again, but way too many get convicted of clearly ridiculous charges just to add to the system's probation and parole fee collection and to further justify the sex offender registry that even the psychologists who work within the system and deal with sex offenders daily admit doesn't serve any valid purpose at all. The problem is that the prosecutors are so zealous about it that they routinely botch what should be solid cases by tainting evidence and then have to make up for it so they don't look bad by bogging down the judges with sex offenses that can be "proven" by the testimony of a single claimant no matter what contrary evidence can be produced.

       
Soooooo.......

Here we are nearly 6 years later. Guess who was right? :troll:

UKIP achieved their goals and Nigel Farage has been vindicated. Now all that's left is formally triggering Article 50 (which ya'll have no choice but to do in the next 2 years) and it's done.

       
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