The Truth: The Brandon J Raub Manifesto

It's been awhile since one of these came around, and August is slow, so why the hell not. Another nutjob has posted a rambling manifesto. You guys know how I love to collect these things, so here you go:

The Truth

Brandon J Raub on Friday, November 11, 2011 at 10:00 am


America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

This is the land of Thomas Jefferson.

This is the land of Benjamin Franklin.

This is the land of Fredrick Douglas.

This is the land of Smedley Butler.

This is the land John F. Kennedy.

This is the land of Martin Luther King.

This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can succeed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help each other. This is land where people beat racism.

The Federal Reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of greed and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong.

We have allowed ourselves to be deceived and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The Federal Reserve is artificially manipulating interest rates and creating phony economic data.

This thing has deceived our entire nation.

They created it in 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear.

There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the freedoms of other people.

I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works.

There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them.

Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of government.

Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government.

We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts.

They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything.

This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy.

These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world.

The Bill of Rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights.

Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are losing their limbs. They are losing their lives. They are losing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why.

They have done some extraordinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They deceived our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights!

September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7.

Your leaders betrayed you.

You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you.

These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate fascism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic.

There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK.


Despite its rambling nature, he had some solid points. Hell, you could even have mistaken him for a Ron Paul supporter. Right up until the 9/11 bullshit entered into things. Progressivism may well have done most of what he's saying, and the Federal Reserve is pure evil, but whatever he might have been going for here lost ALL credibility the moment the conspiracy theory stupidity got in the way.

What makes this particular instance of silliness somewhat scary though is that this guy is apparently the first documented case of someone being arrested and held under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). A rather controversial bill signed into law by Obama that effectively allows people like Raub to be arrested and jailed without being charged with a crime. Provided of course he's labeled a terrorist, and I'd have to assume he was.

No, Fury, this isn't what you were talking about before with Hicks or Assange. Raub wasn't found on a battlefield. He wasn't stealing national secrets from CIA installations. He isn't in bed with the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, or anyone else as far as anyone knows. He's an American citizen arrested in America for posting his manifesto on Facebook. A manifesto that in and of itself isn't even threatening anything. One he hasn't even acted on either. Minority Report. He's the first victim of the pre-crime age.

If this is indeed an NDAA case, then the beginning of the end is here, now, and Free Speech is officially dead.
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"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

       
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Posted on Aug 22, 2012 2:23 pm by Samson in: | 56 comment(s) [Closed]
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Samson said:

Despite its rambling nature, he had some solid points. Hell, you could even have mistaken him for a Ron Paul supporter. Right up until the 9/11 bullshit entered into things. Progressivism may well have done most of what he's saying, and the Federal Reserve is pure evil, but whatever he might have been going for here lost ALL credibility the moment the conspiracy theory stupidity got in the way.

I agree entirely, until the very bottom of his manifesto I was reading and still waiting to see what was bad about this, then he went all tinfoil hat on us. What a shame.

Samson said:

What makes this particular instance of silliness somewhat scary though is that this guy is apparently the first documented case of someone being arrested and held under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). A rather controversial bill signed into law by Obama that effectively allows people like Raub to be arrested and jailed without being charged with a crime. Provided of course he's labeled a terrorist, and I'd have to assume he was.

No, Fury, this isn't what you were talking about before with Hicks or Assange. Raub wasn't found on a battlefield. He wasn't stealing national secrets from CIA installations. He isn't in bed with the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, or anyone else as far as anyone knows. He's an American citizen arrested in America for posting his manifesto on Facebook. A manifesto that in and of itself isn't even threatening anything. One he hasn't even acted on either. Minority Report. He's the first victim of the pre-crime age.

If this is indeed an NDAA case, then the beginning of the end is here, now, and Free Speech is officially dead.

I sincerely hope that you are mistaken about your facts on this and that he actually committed some form of real crime because, if you are correct, we are all in very real danger from our own government in ways that haven't existed in this country since the late 1700s, ways that many good men shed their blood to protect us from. Unfortunately, I have no real reason to believe that you are mistaken at this point, and I am worried. In theory, even just participation in this blog could theoretically be construed as illegal if citizens can be arrested and charged with terrorism simply for speaking a nationally dissenting viewpoint.

       
If it wasn't obvious, the picture accompanying the post is the one the press took when he got arrested. The text has already been posted in its entirety on several news sites as well, and every one of them I checked all ran with the story saying that he'd been arrested for posting this on Facebook after his mother turned him in when she found it. So the Gestapo element is in play as well.

       
Edited by Samson on Aug 22, 2012 3:13 pm
No, Fury, this isn't what you were talking


Why am I being singled out. :)

He's the first victim of the pre-crime age.


Well, in some ways it is good that your nation is no longer being hypocritical in how it treats foreigners verses its own citizens. Bush and Cheney took you down this slippery slope and now the bird has come home to roost on your own citizens.

But anywho, lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story. No federal laws were used, only state laws, and he had a court hearing and a judge determined that he might need psychiatric treatment and he has been held for 30 days to determine thus.

According to Authorities one message put up by the 26-year-old earlier this month stated: 'Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads.'

After being questioned by secret service agents and the FBI, Mr Raub received a short hearing, before being detained in custody for 30 days.

Police used a state law which allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional to hold Mr Raub at the John Randolph Medical Centre in Hopewell, although he has not been charged with any crime.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191373/Marine-Corps-Veteran-Brandon-J-Raub-detained-FBI-psychiatric-testing-anti-government-Facebook-posts.html#ixzz24JsmgvL0

       
The Daily Mail? A British tabloid site is your source? You can do better :P

       
The Daily Mail? A British tabloid site is your source? You can do better :P


I can, but i wont, because it is the truth of the matter, of the 4 papers i looked at, they all pretty much said the same thing. Here, Fox said the same thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/20/outcry-after-military-veteran-detained-for-anti-government-facebook-posts/

       
There's obviously something more going on here. Anyone in their right mind can read this post and simply conclude he's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. There's nothing in here that warrants even state intervention. We're not being told the whole story.

       
For sure, might be just that he is ex military and he was making direct threats against those who he did not agree with. To my mind, the fact that he is ex military is good enough reason to check he is not mental and likley to act on his rantings because he has the skills to do the very things he was talking about.

Also, the military, government and the nation as a whole, should have a duty of care in regards to the killing machines it has produced in the way of soldiers. With nutters killing people in cinemas and schools all across your country, it is small wonder why the police are not concerned about a potential Rambo on the loose starting his own war against the nation.

Lastly, we do not know what he wrote in his private sections on facebook, but i am guessing that the FBI does, and it was those writings they acted upon.

       
Lastly, we do not know what he wrote in his private sections on facebook, but i am guessing that the FBI does, and it was those writings they acted upon.

Private.
Facebook.

Please vote for one, and only one candidate.

Also, if the FBI is involved, then that's no longer a state matter, so the mental institution stuff just went out the window since you're now implying the Feds ran him up on charges for mystery material nobody even knows about.

       
And if he was alluding to wanting to blow up the upcoming Republican Party convention, would you want them to act? Or should they do nothing and just wait and see if Obama gets back in office because there is no opposition left? The question is rhetorical, but the point is, we dont know what he wrote and we dont know who dobbed him in either, but if the rantings were of such a threat as i outlined, i am sure you would want the police to act and no wait.

I think it is safe to assume that they have good cause to use to make sure that he is not going to act on his rantings. Which is why he is in a medical facility for 30 days, so they can determine if he is mental.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 22, 2012 5:36 pm
No, sorry, based only on this manifesto, there was no grounds to do anything more than look at him funny. If they're charging him based on something else, then we need to see that something else in order to evaluate the evidence.

Yes, if he HAD posted something saying he was going to bomb the Republican convention, I'd want him hauled away. Same if he had said he was going to bomb the Democratic convention too. That's just not how you solve your political disputes here in the US. Maybe you solve them that way in Iran or Syria, but this isn't those places.

I can guarantee you he's mental. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was an inside job is by definition a crazy person. The question then becomes, has he done anything more than post a crazy aimless rant? We haven't got the information to answer that.

You're supposed to be a big fan of rights and shit. Or is that only for Hicks and people who get to vacation at Gitmo?

       
Edited by Samson on Aug 22, 2012 5:45 pm
Samson: Whoa, what psychiatric credentials do you have to be able to determine that he's "mental" just because he believed that 9/11 was an inside job?

Otherwise, overall, I would agree with you but for one small further detail, police, at any level in this (and most other countries) do not publicly release all their evidence to the press during an ongoing investigation. This is not some new thing, it's been done that way for decades (longer?) because they don't want to ruin the prosecution's chances of being able to lock up the suspect by tainting the evidence or revealing what might be needed to be a surprise in court to the perpetrator. I don't always agree with this practice, but I do fully understand it and I would have thought that you would too.

Fury: Can we just relax a moment and think about what we're posting in our mad rants? Based on what you've posted, I should be monitored by the police, and/or feds, the rest of my life in case I ever utter the slightest thing that could be construed as a threat for any reason against anything since I am a veteran. Seriously? Thanks, dude, really love your show of appreciation for my service to my country. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to enlist immediately after reading your posts... Do you even know which branch this guy served in, let alone what he was actually trained for? For all you know, he was a company clerk or a vehicle mechanic, how would either of those give him any more "skills to do the very things he was talking about" than you or I or Samson might have? What if he was actually trained as a dentist? Or an air traffic controller? Yup, the military includes and trains folks for those jobs too. Not every ex-military person is some Rambo-esque killing machine. Smell the coffee, this is your wake up call. Hollywood loves to portray guys like Rambo because it's exciting and draws ticket buyers, not because it's realistic.

       
just because he believed that 9/11 was an inside job

That's pretty much it. You have to be nuts to actually buy that.

I don't always agree with this practice, but I do fully understand it and I would have thought that you would too.

Here's the thing. For good or bad, the press already knows. They've already been told he was arrested for posting the quoted manifesto on Facebook. The quoted manifesto is not enough to hold someone on mental health charges. There's not even an explicit threat to do anything other than "take back our republic" which I think it's safe to say is something both of us agree with, right? If that's true, then both of us need to be watching our backs and preparing for our own visits.

So what does "take back our republic" mean then? That seems to be the meat and potatoes of their "case" against this guy. If they had something else, trust me, the media would have been all over it. Considering the dude is ex-Marine, the leftists would be drooling over any chance to paint him as an evil bastard Tea Party supporter. This hasn't happened as far as I can find.

So if they're now arresting people for what they say IN PRIVATE then things are a lot worse than either of us knew. After all, private means the public doesn't even know about it. It's entirely possible the mental health commitment was the only way they could pick the guy up without starting a shitstorm.

       
If they're charging him based on something else, then we need to see that something else in order to evaluate the evidence.


Actually you do not have the right to see that evidence yet, and if he is charged you do not get to evaluate it wither, unless you are on the jury, prosecutor or defence teams. Until such time as he has been to trial. And even then, if the evidence is of a sensitive nature, it can be suppressed in the media to allow for a fair trial.

Or is that only for Hicks and people who get to vacation at Gitmo?


The difference between Hicks and Raub is stark to say the least. Raub is being held under laws which exist today in the USA, and if he is changed with anything he will have rights under the US legal system, he will have the right to appeal, the right to appoint his own legal council and has the right to challenge what is being done to him right now.

Hicks was held under no law that existed in the USA at the time of his detention, was tried in a court which your own legal system ruled to be illegal, so they had to invent a new law to charge Hicks with retro actively and make new laws to allow the sham military tribunal. Hicks had no right to appeal, no right to challenge anything that was done to him. Hicks faced 2 options, confess to something and be released, or hold his innocence and be in gitmo for life.

I am pretty sure a smart guy like yourself can see the differences here.


You're supposed to be a big fan of rights and shit. Or is that only for Hicks and people who get to vacation at Gitmo?


I cannot see how his rights have been breached. He can legally challenge his detention if he so chooses, and has all the rights afforded to him under US law.

       
The difference between Hicks and Raub is stark to say the least.

Yes, that they are. Starting with the fact that Raub posted a rambling manifesto to Facebook, and Hicks was caught on a battlefield aiding the enemy during a time of war.

Raub gets hauled off to the funny farm without cause, Hicks got sent to a designated POW camp that may as well be a resort town.

The two situations couldn't be further apart, but only one of these is actually worthy of being scorned. Hicks got to go home. We don't yet know whether or not Raub will.

A smart guy like you ought to be able to distinguish a harmless Facebook post from an actual combat situation.

       
There must be something else to his arrest, although I'll reserve judgement until I find out what. And I'm pretty sure his situation is not comparable to Hicks.

I find his ranting about both debt and the discouragement of saving to be a bit odd. On one hand he whinges about the decline in saving (a major problem, no less) and then complains about the growth of debt with no real means to link them, when in they are extremely related things. Hell, part of America's mess comes from the fact that there is huge debt and low saving, meaning that China now effectively owns half of America. Instead of ramming home solid points he sticks to making vague apocalyptic claims without any real effort to connect them to the real world. But then, considering he is a 'truther', that may not be surprising.

Actually, when I read what he says I'm wonder if this is what Noam Chomsky would sound like if he spent a day smoking dope with the conspiracy theory factor turned up by seven notches.

Samson said:

Hicks was caught on a battlefield aiding the enemy during a time of war.


I don't think that there is any evidence for that. He certainly trained with them but he never fought for them. All we really know about his capture is that the Northern Alliance found him unarmed in the back of a truck, so he wasn't exactly putting up a fight at the time. He also tortured both by Northern Alliance fighters (pity Massoud wasn't around any more to put a stop to that) and American soldiers and his jailers, so...

       
Edited by prettyfly on Aug 22, 2012 6:58 pm
And you don't even know that much since that's not the account of his capture I remember.

Also, what the Afghan Northern Alliance did with him prior to our taking custody of him isn't our problem. Perhaps they did torture him, but that doesn't by definition mean that we did. Especially when no such thing has ever been documented as happening in Gitmo. Getting people wet doesn't count. Hicks alleges a lot of stuff. He has no proof that any of it ever happened. Which is why nothing is going to come of his own rantings and ravings.

If all he had done was post an anti-American rant on Facebook, and got arrested for it, I'd be right there with you guys that he got the shaft. That's not what happened though.

       
A smart guy like you ought to be able to distinguish a harmless Facebook post from an actual combat situation.


Yeah i can. So answer me this:

What battlefield was Hicks captured on?
What division of the US military was Hicks engaged in fighting?
How many US military personnel did Hicks wound or kill?
What weapons did Hicks use to engage the US military in combat?
How many other people were in Hicks unit or group?
How many of those were killed or captured?

And how about Mahmoud Habib? Same questions.

And you don't even know that much since that's not the account of his capture I remember.


That is because you think the party line is truth, when it is not, David Hicks was SOLD to the US military by some Northern warlord for the grand sum of $1000. He did not partake in any battles, he was not on any battlefield, he was trying to leave the country cause he did not want to die. The only crime David Hicks is guilty of is being a DUMB ASS, and going to train in some training camp. When the shit hit the fan, he realised that he did not really want to be a part of all this and was bailing out. He was hated by the Afghans and the Taliban who then sold him to the US military and well the rest is history.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 22, 2012 7:41 pm
What battlefield was Hicks captured on?
What division of the US military was Hicks engaged in fighting?
How many US military personnel did Hicks wound or kill?
What weapons did Hicks use to engage the US military in combat?
How many other people were in Hicks unit or group?
How many of those were killed or captured?

You know as well as I do that the specifics of what he did on the battlefield were not made public and even Assange didn't get that information via his connections with Manning. Nice try though. If he had done something that warranted the kind of response you keep implying took place it would have been easier to kill him. And Habib too. Dead men don't talk.

That is because you think the party line is truth

Nah bro, that's what you're doing. Taking the media spin doctoring as truth.

Fact is, the actual truth of what went down is likely somewhere in the middle of "active combatant" and "utterly innocent torture victim". It's far more likely he was aiding them in the same way Habib was, logistical support. Though The Pentagon says Habib was actively engaged in actual fighting, so there you go.

Had it been up to me, I'd have simply told the Northern Alliance to do with Hicks as they pleased. And I would have shot Habib inside the combat zone.

Oh, and news flash. Get upset with Australia since in both cases it was on them, not us. Your government apparently didn't want either of them sent back, which left us little choice in the matter.

       
You know as well as I do that the specifics of what he did on the battlefield were not made public


Because he was not on any battlefield. Nor was he captured by the US.

Which is to say i kind of think that it is funny how, you lay guilt on this man without evidence and claim innocence of another many without evidence, do you just make this shit up as you go along or something as to who is right and wrong, inventing conspiracy theories as you go along that suit your purpose while calling Raub mental for his conspiracy theories. Come on Samson, this blog is The Empire of Conspiracy Theories, are we all mental too?


Though The Pentagon says Habib was actively engaged in actual fighting,


In Pakistan? 10km from Karachi, on a bus? Really? Was he a long range missile expert or something?

Get upset with Australia since in both cases it was on them, not us.


You know very well I hold Australian Parliament to blame for the entire sorry affair, they should have brought him home to face charges under our criminal code. Instead of leaving him to rot in Gitmo, without charge while Cheney and Bush INVENT NEW CRIMES and retro act them, to charge him with.

OH, and if you want to play a game of Gitmo holiday camp with me, send me your cell number and i will phone you every 10 mins between the hours of 10Pm and 8Am and every 30 min outside of those times for the next 5 years and you are not allowed to talk to your family as well, Sleep Deprivation, just one of the many fun games we will play at the Gitmo Holiday Inn.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 22, 2012 8:31 pm
Because he was not on any battlefield. Nor was he captured by the US.

According to you. The information I've seen says otherwise.

Yes, I lay guilt on Hicks for being fucking stupid enough to be in Afghanistan to begin with, and even guiltier for actually helping the Taliban. That's not an act of free speech, that's aiding the enemy in a time of war. His enemy combatant status was not even in dispute by your own government.

In Pakistan? 10km from Karachi, on a bus? Really? Was he a long range missile expert or something?

Ask the Pakistanis. THEY arrested him. Not the Northern Alliance, not the USA, not Australia. Pakistan. And again, your own government didn't want him back. It had nothing to do with us until you guys refused to take him and we were again left with no choice but to house your rejects.

Cheney and Bush

Cry me a river. This blame Bush thing was old in 2001.

send me your cell number

Because as we all know, Gitmo inmates are allowed cell phones. :rolleyes: It's a prison camp dude. Calling it "Club Gitmo" is just our way of letting you all know it isn't even as bad as our own prisons here on US soil.

Sleep deprivation only goes so far before your body simply forces the issue and you're out and there ain't shit anyone can do to stop it. Why don't you get angry with the Pakistanis and Egyptians who were actually likely to have tortured Habib? Oh, that's right, they can do no wrong.

       
And again, your own government didn't want him back. It had nothing to do with us until you guys refused to take him and we were again left with no choice but to house your rejects.


You claimed he was actually engaged in fighting.

Though The Pentagon says Habib was actively engaged in actual fighting, so there you go.


I want to know how this can be when he was not in Afghanistan or Iraq, you know, the places were the USA was doing war, he was in Pakistan 1000's of Km from the boarders in Karachi. The only time he was in Afghanistan was while under US detention after being moved from 1 Cia facility to another, from Pakistan to Egypt to Afghanistan to Cuba.

So i ask again, where was he fighting, and who was he fighting.

According to you. The information I've seen says otherwise.


RE: Hicks, so where is this information that does against all reported information on him? You know LINKS.

       
That's because he was actively engaged, just cause he was on a bus when they finally caught him is meaningless. Otherwise, you know, I killed a guy yesterday. Sorry! But when you arrested med for it I wasn't actually killing the guy! You evil bastard Americans!

And no. He wasn't *IN* Karachi. He was caught on a bus *ON THE WAY TO* Karachi. It's not specified precisely where that bus was, but since the Pakistanis caught him, it was probably pretty darn close to the Afghan border on their side.

Australian government authorities allege that Habib was in Afghanistan

So wait. WAIT A SECOND here. You're jumping on us for something your own government was charging the guy with?

So let me get this straight. You're using this guy as an example of how evil America is when... it wasn't even us he was fighting against? And yes, I knew this ahead of time, while I was walking you into this one. I didn't even have to pull the rope very hard. You came along willingly hoping I'd know nothing about this case.

Habib's only "witness" to any torture in Egypt is based on the testimony of another alleged victim who also has no proof anything happened.

The two of them only ended up in Gitmo because Australia and the UK wanted nothing to do with them. But we're so evil.

Also, yes, I am aware that Habib's buddy from the UK was someone the FBI, CIA, and the Pentagon all objected strongly to seeing sent back to the UK. Guess who it was that told them all to go to hell when he had them released? I'll wait.

       
it wasn't even us he was fighting against?


So the US sent him to gitmo just for fun and kicks, even though they had no legal jurisdiction to do so, as he committed no crimes against the USA. Is that what you are saying here, that the USA removed all rights from an innocent man?

Australian government authorities allege that Habib was in Afghanistan


I allege that you are in Nebraska, not California, just because there is an allegation does not make it fact. But what is fact, is that Habbib has never wavered from his story, that he was never in Afghanistan, that he was not a terrorist, and there is no evidence to say that his word is a lie and the Aust government settled his law suit with him, because the truth would be damaging to them. He was never charged with any crime, nor was he convicted of any crime.

You're using this guy as an example of how evil America is when.


His treatment and torture are not what we are debating here. But what is on debate, is how you selectively use a lack of evidence or fact to assume someone is guilty or in Raubs case innocent. Which is the case here with Habbib, a man who had never been in Afghanistan, other than to be detained in a US facility before being sent to Cuba. A man you claim was not fighting the USA.

       
Edited by The_Fury on Aug 22, 2012 10:37 pm
No. Australia had him sent to Gitmo since it was being used as the allied POW camp for prisoners caught in the Afghan theater. Blaming us isn't going to fly. If you want justice, exact it from your own government since the whole thing points to them being responsible for him being bounced around like a rubber ball.

There's no evidence to suggest he's telling the truth about being tortured in Gitmo either. Only that he took a beating. Likely he took that beating in Egypt. Why not go take it up with the Muslim Brotherhood if you're still upset about it? Yeah, cause you know, Mubarak isn't in power any more, and if anything happened (fat chance without evidence to back it up) you'd have to get confirmation from his regime.

The Unites States never charged him with a crime. That's about the only kernel of truth in your telling of the story.

Oh, and nice dodge. You didn't answer my question about who let him go.

No no no, see, this is how it works. The government accuses Raub of being a terrorist. They haul him away to crazy people hospital. They have no evidence.

Habib is caught by Pakistani authorities who have more than enough to have justified picking him up, and Habib has conveniently never denied what he was up to there. He then turns around and accuses the people at Gitmo of torturing him, straight out of the Al-Qaeda handbook. There isn't a shred of evidence to back that up.

       
Edited by Samson on Aug 22, 2012 10:39 pm
No. Australia had him sent to Gitmo


LOL you have to be kidding right, LINK, before my bullshitometer explodes.

Australia turned their back on him and denied him protection. All intelligence Australia had on him came from US intelligence services, he was a prisoner of the US military, and the Australian government let the US do whatever they wanted, without challenge. This is all on the public record here after numerous enquiries.

       
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