Who Lost Europe?

This was forwarded in email, and is backed up by Snopes. I doubt I need to tell you that the scenario being laid out in this speech is something I have long believed to be happening in Europe which can only end in disaster for the rest of us.

In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: Who lost Europe? Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York, introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem.


Geert Wilders said:

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem. The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey. Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers. Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu
Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for
is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel, Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem. Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe, American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so. We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.


Geert Wilders has since been arrested and tried for hate speech in the Netherlands after delivering this speech, here, in New York City in 2008. I guess the Dutch don't want the truth being told.
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"It is pointless to resist, my son." -- Darth Vader
"Resistance is futile." -- The Borg
"Mother's coming for me in the dragon ships. I don't like these itchy clothes, but I have to wear them or it frightens the fish." -- Thurindil

Well. I guess that's that then.

       
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Posted on May 28, 2010 7:25 pm by Samson in: | 43 comment(s) [Closed]
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Crazy isn't it? When he was first arrested for it, he was quoted as having said something to the effect that 'if I'm tried for this, I will not stand alone on trial but with hundreds of other citizens of the Netherlands who also resent the Islamization of the Netherlands' and, as I understand it, politicians in the Netherlands are supposed to be given extra special liberties with regard to the laws in general but particularly with speech freedoms specifically because it's assumed that they're speaking on behalf of those who voted for them, yet they arrested him, a prominent politician, for making a speech and tried him for it as well.

The worst part of it is that, frankly, I can not imagine any single portion of his speech being in even the slightest error, yet our own government is doing all it can to cozy up to the Islamics and condemn Israel even though it's not feasibly possible that they somehow don't also know all of this easily just as well, if not better, than the rest of us. :(

       
The whole thing is a shining perfect example of two things:

1. Why the 1st Amendment is such a great thing.
2. Why political correctness is dangerous to society.

Europe is heading for a 3rd great war, and who do you suppose they're going to call for help when they realize they can't win?

       
Even in America, I could see something like hate speech being considered unprotected by the first amendment under the auspices of attempting to incite a riot or some such by some overzealous DA or AG or Obama admin type. It's the sort of thing we need remain ever vigilant against. :(

Yes, PC is, and always has been, very dangerous to society. Was it not one of the very first major steps taken by Hitler's regime?

In a way, I hope you're right and Europe will reach a state of that 3rd great war so they can call upon us for help rather than simply collapsing under the weight of the Islamic Movement without ever realizing in time that it merits war. Of course, at the same time I am quite forced to admit that no one, including us, can really afford to face a 3rd World War, especially if it really did mean escalation to nuclear attacks which is hardly an inconceivable possibility at this point, particularly should the Islamic movement reach full control of even one major player that already has full nuclear armament. Unfortunately, the Islamic Extremist wouldn't even think twice about blowing up the whole world in the name of their Jihad, if anything they'd likely just see it as the ultimate suicide bomb. :(

       
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #4 May 31, 2010 4:50 am
When giving a speech to the American media, mr. Wilders sounds surprisingly coherent. Surprising, because his English is not terribly good (as is evident when you watch his performance in an interview) and these speeches seem a bit too perfectly in tune with current American politics. I suspect someone well versed in American politics writes these speeches for him, with a certain agenda in mind. In this case: wishy washy european liberals are getting us into trouble again by coddling muslim fanatics.

American mainstream politicians would never get away with the sort of sweeping generalizations and ethnic stereotyping that mister Wilders routinely goes on the record with in his home country. He makes no distinction between say a Greek Orthodox computer scientist whose parents came from Istanbul and an uneducated suicide bomber from the Gaza strip. If you or an ancestor came from a country or region with a large Muslim population, you're a drain on society and a potential threat. He has called for the deportation from Europe of all people who fit his definition of Muslim; according to him tens of millions of them. In order to even reach that figure of tens of millions of European Muslims, one has to include traditionally Islamic countries such as Albania, Bosnia and several states in the Russian Federation. If he's serious about this, this policy implies invading and ethnically cleaning several sovereign countries.

Of course these statements are no more than idle threats. Even if he were to win the elections, I don't see generalissimo Wilders invading Russia with his Dutch army, which is mostly known for being gay friendly and not having won a conflict in over 3 centuries.

In any case, it's because of statements like these that he is under investigation, as inciting violence and hatred does not fall under the protection of free speech, and neither does deliberately trying to provoke a terrorist attack to support his campaign. Unless he does it in parliament.

       
You may be right that his definition of Muslim includes heredity and that his intent is no better than Hitler's with regard to ethnic cleansing, but you may also be mistaken. Either way, his statements given in this particular speech seem entirely accurate and it is a real problem. Islamic practices are not strictly a religion and they are not peaceful. If all these Europeans want to be Islamic they should move to Islamic nations rather than trying to destroy all the other nations of the world. Political correctness was never a good idea and, in this case, it's been taken to the extreme and allowed to become outright dangerous. If the world had been exercising political correctness to this extent back in the 1920's and 1930's you would all be speaking German these days and I would never have been born because my parents would've been killed in concentration camps, I don't see that as a positive prospect, thank you very much. You may not realize it, but Hitler's goals were extremely similar to those of the current Islamic culture too: extermination of all Jews, homosexuals, blacks, and other 'social deviants' with the end goal of world peace by making the entire world ethnically pure which would only allow blonde, blue-eyed, Germans to continue to exist. In the case of Islamics, the idea is very much the same, they want to exterminate all Jews, homosexuals, blacks, and other 'social deviants' with the end goal of world peace by making the entire world ethnically pure which would only allow Muslim extremists to continue to exist. One of the only significant differences between what the Nazis wanted and what the Islamics want is that the Nazis didn't particularly encourage suicide attacks amongst their own and they didn't bother trying to claim to be doing anything based upon a religion. This is not hate speech nor an attempt to incite hatred or riot, but a statement of facts based upon ample real evidence available through normal everyday world-wide news media in every available format. Perhaps you believe that every news media agency in the world should be equally prosecuted for inciting hate speech as well?

       
Conner pretty much said it best.

I'll simply add that Europe's current problem is not unlike our current problem here in the US with illegals from Mexico. Illegal immigration is at the heart of their current mess with the muslims and the sooner they realize this and deport those who came illegally, the sooner their problems will be behind them. That way it remains strictly a matter of law and no legitimate argument for persecution would stick.

       
Anonymous [Anon] said:
Comment #7 May 31, 2010 1:10 pm
Asholumius said:

IIRC, Samson specifically asked that his account be deleted from the database, not just deactivated, so that his name would not appear on posts. Of course to make that work we had to assign all his posts to author nobody. At one point, perhaps briefly, I remember Davion telling me that Samson wanted his name scoured from the site.

I'm 95% sure that is exactly what he demanded. Nobody on MB at the time wanted to scrape his name from the website.

We would have loved to not only keep his posts (which we did), but also continue to make sure he got the credit for them, just like we would have liked to keep his uploads to the repository for others to use as well.


DavidFailey said:

Samson said himself numerous times that he wanted the posts deleted, on IMC, his blog, comments in various places, etc. As Orrin said, the current ToS don't give MB any ownership or control over the posts, so I suppose it was within his right to do so -- just like for everybody else, really. I asked the MB admins to address this some time ago because it's a pretty sticky situation to be in.


Dude. Did you really fucking ask them to do this? What the hell man, why?

       
Oh, look, this topic again :rolleyes:

(wonders why nobody on that forum ever thinks to, you know, ask the source for the truth)

Clearly you've missed critical info, so I'll briefly fill you in. Look for the "Mudbytes Backstabbers" thread here - not going to link it. Don't be lazy, use the search to find it. That will explain the bulk of everything.

Now, as for user deletion, during the course of the nastiness involved in being kicked off my own creation, I told them they could go ahead and delete my account because I'd not be needing it again. Why bother interacting with a bunch of obviously intolerant pricks, right? Anyway, they didn't delete it, and I certainly never expected them to, it was just one of those things said in the heat of the moment. Fast forward a few months and supposedly my account got hacked. I'm not sure if that was actually true or if it was an excuse made up by the admins or whatever, but they contacted me about it and I made an off-hand comment about how it wouldn't have been possible if my account had been deleted. They locked out the password. Everything is resolved, right?

Apparently not. Somewhere along the way, during the dispute over asserting my legal rights concerning the distribution of the SmaugFUSS code, Davion got a wild hair up his ass and hit the big red button. One needs to keep in mind, I hadn't made mention of the place in awhile before the FUSS thing. So the deletion came as a bit of a surprise to me, and to a lot of other people. I certainly never repeated the request, because it wasn't really something I wanted done nor did I expect any competent forum admin to actually do it. Call it a troll request if you want. My account was blocked, so it wasn't like I could use it even if I'd wanted to.

User deletion in QSFP is highly disruptive to the point of breaking a few things I've been too lazy to bother fixing, since user deletion is a rare event. It leaves all of the posts behind assigned to the guest user. PMs get left behind in the system, and aren't attached to anything. Apparently as Tyche's post in the thread indicates, QSFP doesn't much care for that and crashes. There's probably other unknown issues as well, since I don't recall what effect it will have on files that were uploaded. Who knows what it would do to articles or pastebin entries or any of the other bolted-on portions of the site that aren't part of the main QSFP distro.

Now, it looks like a couple of people who know better are claiming that I have repeatedly demanded the deletion. Here's how you spot the lie:
Asylumius said:

Of course to make that work we had to assign all his posts to author nobody.


Manually reassigning posts is not necessary, QSFP does that when someone hits the big red button. Also, he should have gone with the other 5%, and he needs to talk to Davion about why he actually deleted it. It wasn't in response to any demand, it was purely him lashing out at my exercising my legal rights under copyright law and having no recourse but to comply. It hardly surprises me though that there's revisionism going on about the history behind the deletion, that's what libs do, they can't help themselves no matter what part of their lives it covers.

To his credit, Cratylus is at least remaining consistent in his belief that the deletion was a stupid thing to do.

tl;dr version: It wasn't a serious request and it was idiotic of Davion to delete me several months later for personal reasons.

       
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #9 May 31, 2010 8:52 pm
I wouldn't be reading this blog if I were a firm believer in the multicultural liberal paradise. What I believe in even less though, is hysterical ranting about society coming to an end in a place where the most significant challenges to society are bicycle theft and dog poop on the side walk, which is what mister Wilders is doing. Having been living in his country for a number of years, I can understand his statements that are not meant for an international audience, and it's like a different person entirely. This guy isn't part of the solution, he is part of the problem. He is a prime example of why immigration in Europe is having different effects in Europe and the USA: according to him, it doesn't matter who you are and what you have to offer, what matters is where your parents or even grandparents were born. By playing on these sentiments, his rants may have become a self fulfilling prophecy, If it hadn't been for the financial crisis shifting the public's attention to more urgent matters. This guy does not deserve the admiration and large amounts campaign money he gets from American conservatives.

(Note that, because it's never been an issue before in this tiny, largely irrelevant country, there is no law against accepting foreign campaign contributions)

       
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #10 May 31, 2010 9:15 pm

...you would all be speaking German...


Note that in Europe, this doesn't have the meaning an American speaker thinks it has. They're all speaking English instead now, even in France.

       
I'm not even going to bother with the MB saga stuff at this point, the real history is all documented quite clearly on this very site.

Mohammed, Not being a resident of his (your?) country, I'm not in a position to contest what you say about the local climate, but I can tell you that here we're seeing it as he called it. As for the language issue, you may be right about that too, but the difference is that English has become the language of choice over there whereas had Hitler won German would've been the language of government mandate for every citizen. Winston Churchill was pretty clear on his thoughts about the threat that Germany posed under Hitler's leadership, I'm not sure why, almost three quarters of a century later, you're not.

       
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #12 Jun 1, 2010 1:43 am
Conner, I know what the speaking German reference means. I meant that it has a different meaning for the intended Western European audience. German is the language of depressing poetry, stuffy operas and household appliance manuals on one side of the Atlantic, a totalitarian barking code uttered by people whose asses we kick every couple of decades on the other.


...I can tell you that here we're seeing it as he called it...


My point exactly, he's telling you what you want to hear, and making lots of money in the process.

       
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #13 Jun 1, 2010 1:52 am
and by the way, he wasn't arrested, he is subject to the equivalent of a civil suit. The worst that can happen to him is having to pay a fine in the unlikely event of a conviction.

       
Well, being mostly republican, I can't fault the man for telling us what we believe nor for making money off doing so, but you still aren't exactly offering evidence to invalidate what he's told us either.

As for his not having been arrested, I don't live there and am not familiar with y'alls courts nor laws, but from what I can find about this on the web, it does appear that he's facing up to two years in prison if he's found guilty. In this country that's considered criminal action not a civil suit.

       
he's telling you what you want to hear


That's one perspective. The other is that he's telling us the truth and willing to risk prison time in order to do so. Which, btw, makes that a criminal offense and not a civil offense. Unless Dutch law can seriously throw people in prison for losing a lawsuit. If that's the case you guys really do have far more serious problems than a bunch of muslim illegal aliens.

       
Samson said:

Unless Dutch law can seriously throw people in prison for losing a lawsuit. If that's the case you guys really do have far more serious problems than a bunch of muslim illegal aliens.

:lol: No kidding! :facepalm:

       
Anonymous [Anon] said:
Comment #17 Jun 1, 2010 8:31 pm
Tyche said:

There do exist complete dumps of MudBytes, TMC, TMS, partial MudMagic, and many other lists' message databases.


Really? Where? This intrigues me.

       
In each of the respective site admin's back up folders. ;)
That doesn't appear to be a quote from this site though, perhaps, if you insist upon cross posting like that, maybe you could attribute your quotes with links to the original as well?

       
Appears he's referencing that same thread from before. I wasn't aware someone was maintaining an off-site archive of MB's material. If they are, I hope they appreciate how messed up things are thanks to Davion being a complete goober.

Also, did you get an error on that last comment? I certainly didn't get an email notification that you had commented.

       
Edited by Samson on Jun 2, 2010 2:57 am
Mohammed [Anon] said:
Comment #20 Jun 2, 2010 7:24 am
if that's the case you guys really do have far more serious problems than a bunch of muslim illegal aliens


You don't get it. These aren't illegal muslim aliens, these are legal residents, most of them born citizens. There is no comparison at all with the immigration situation in the south western USA.

       
@Samson:
It'd be so much easier if he'd have said that to begin with.
I wasn't aware of it either, though from the quote the implication is that there exists a complete dump from each of the various sites, not just an archive of the publicly viewable messages which sounds a bit dubious. On the other hand, if it was meant that someone's just been archiving everything from those sites from day one, would it be only unedited posts or only posts as they exist at target intervals or.. kind of like archiving via RSS feeds, you don't need what Davion's done to mess up the archive, even just regular routine post editing by the original poster is plenty.

Yup, I had. Same as before. I get the message but if I follow the 'home' link at the top right of the error, the post was actually made without errors. Perhaps the 'fatal error' was in the attempt to send you the notice of the posting?

@Mohammed:
I'm not certain how relevant that actually is. If they've converted to the political/religious system practiced by the middle easterners who are constantly at war with everyone else (in some cases including themselves) in an effort to fully emulate those folks, the fact that they're not illegal aliens seems small consolation, in fact, it might actually only serve to compound the problem since you can't just tell them that they need to take their bull back to where they came from but rather that they need to take it to where they'd obviously prefer to be. But either way, I think Samson's statement stands either way, if your court system allows one to go to jail for loss of a civil suit with no criminal aspects, then the issues Geert Wilders has raised are indeed among the least of the reasons for you to be concerned about your country's state. In this country you have to actually be charged criminally before you can face prison time. A civil lawsuit can only involve money or property or things like being ordered to stop some activity or stay away from an individual/business or to change your name or.. but it can never result in prison time.. at least not directly. The results of a civil suit might be used as evidence for a criminal case, but it would still be a separate criminal case.

       
Anonymous [Anon] said:
Comment #22 Jun 4, 2010 1:00 am
When people log onto IMC they half expect cursing and vulgarity.


Was a time when this wasn't true at all :(

But when you surf to a forum you don't expect to be inundated with "f this" and "f that" and "I'll f your mother in the a."


Weird man, cause like, why keep the forum clean if the chat line is a profanity cesspool?

Gayvion = Admin fail. Request an hero.

       
You're right about IMC, there was a time when it stayed mostly clean and courteous most of the time and it wasn't really all that long ago, though it's been getting longer ago rather rapidly. :sad:

It has to do with who's involved mainly. :whistle:

a hero? :blink:

       
Yes. IMC used to be useful, but man has it gone to shit lately. I poked the logs the other day and it's like watching a bunch of rappers talking. Then again, one shouldn't be surprised by this because IMC is now a population majority of people who use I3 and that's always been a cesspool.

Had the misfortune of following a tinyurl link to something that led to a thread on /b/ (4chan.org for those who don't know) and after foolishly spending the rest of the night there I think I see now why IMC and I3 have degenerated so badly. The threads on /b/ are all the same kind of nonsensical crap, laced with profanities and filled with racism toward Jews, blacks, and Mexicans, plus bigotry toward women and conservatives. No wonder people refer to it as the asshole of the internet. I'll say it now, IMC has become the asshole of the MUD community. It makes TMC seem mild, in the same way /b/ makes the rest of the internet seem friendly.

In the course of that waste of an evening, the term "an hero" came up. Yes, Anon is essentially asking Davion to kill himself. knowyourmeme.com is the mildest site I could find with an adequate explanation for the term.

While I personally disagree strongly with how Davion is now running the site, and I would wholeheartedly support or be indifferent to efforts to shut the site down due to his completely incompetent administration, I can't condone asking him to kill himself, even in jest.

So let me make this perfectly clear - next time something of that nature gets posted here it's going to get deleted and the IP network the comment came from will be banned.

       
Edited by Samson on Jun 4, 2010 3:21 pm
Wow, today's lingo sure has changed from when I was a kid. So we now know where all the crap on IMC of late is coming from at least, not that it's much help. It's really a shame, I don't want to get rid of IMC completely since I do utilize inews very regularly, but... well, I'm thinking I made the right choice awhile ago when I set permissions for it's use on my mud considerably higher than they started out. I also can't see condoning telling someone to kill themselves, let alone for poor forum administration.

       
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